10 yard rapid"ish" fire
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Pistolero
Well-Known Member
To quote a great man.....and it applies to 1911 mags very much.
It only matters if it does.
Many 1911s will feed from essentially any magazine. Others need a specific type.
A root part of the problem is that most guns that we are familiar with have only been made by one company, the
company that invented the design. The 1911 has been in production for over a century and there are currently
about 20-25 different companies turning out their version of the design. Many have DESIGN changes included, and
I will bet that very few are built to the original blueprints, unchanged.
So, "A 1911" isn't "a 1911" --- it is a Kimber or a Colt or a S&W or a Ruger, etc.
This complicates things. And the fact that there are three separate, grossly different styles of magazines, with
at least 20 different styles (many WILDLY different) of followers, and most of them were NOT designed by the
gun designer.
What could possibly give you inconsistent results from that?
I have had excellent results for decades with the Metalform mags with this kind of
follower.
But then again, most of my 1911s are not particularly picky about mags.Only my carry Colt Commander tells me it wants original Browning design (GI style) mags.
Bill
It only matters if it does.
Many 1911s will feed from essentially any magazine. Others need a specific type.
A root part of the problem is that most guns that we are familiar with have only been made by one company, the
company that invented the design. The 1911 has been in production for over a century and there are currently
about 20-25 different companies turning out their version of the design. Many have DESIGN changes included, and
I will bet that very few are built to the original blueprints, unchanged.
So, "A 1911" isn't "a 1911" --- it is a Kimber or a Colt or a S&W or a Ruger, etc.
This complicates things. And the fact that there are three separate, grossly different styles of magazines, with
at least 20 different styles (many WILDLY different) of followers, and most of them were NOT designed by the
gun designer.
What could possibly give you inconsistent results from that?
I have had excellent results for decades with the Metalform mags with this kind of
follower.
But then again, most of my 1911s are not particularly picky about mags.Only my carry Colt Commander tells me it wants original Browning design (GI style) mags.
Bill
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RBHarter
West Central AR
To quote a great man.....and it applies to 1911 mags very much.
It only matters if it does.
Many 1911s will feed from essentially any magazine. Others need a specific type.
A root part of the problem is that most guns that we are familiar with have only been made by one company, the
company that invented the design. The 1911 has been in production for over a century and there are currently
about 20-25 different companies turning out their version of the design. Many have DESIGN changes included, and
I will bet that very few are built to the original blueprints, unchanged.
So, "A 1911" isn't "a 1911" --- it is a Kimber or a Colt or a S&W or a Ruger, etc.
This complicates things. And the fact that there are three separate, grossly different styles of magazines, with
at least 20 different styles (many WILDLY different) of followers, and most of them were NOT designed by the
gun designer.
What could possibly give you inconsistent results from that?
I have had excellent results for decades with the Metalform mags with this kind of
follower.
But then again, most of my 1911s are not particularly picky about mags.Only my carry Colt Commander tells me it wants original Browning design (GI style) mags.
Bill
I didn't know Browning was in the 1911 game ????
Just poking fun ........ I knew what you meant .
I have an associate that has run into this magazine problem with his Kimber .
Ian
Notorious member
Kimbers are their own animal. I've had two and they both had various issues. Bill helped me figure the second one out, it needs hybrid SWC mags with ANY ammo, and I worked the extractor over like a rented mule to solve the issue they engineered into the slide: The extractor bore and the machine cuts on the bottom of the slide from the breech fact to the rear are off set to the left side of the slide slightly when compared to SA or genuine Colt. This has always caused premature slide-lock problems but I never realized why.
I thought Browning just made leverguns, in the late 1800s.
I thought Browning just made leverguns, in the late 1800s.
Pistolero
Well-Known Member
And Ma Deuce, too.
There are times when it is valid and useful talk about "1911s", but when you get
really down to it, you need to talk what brand and what part of their production.
Early Kimbers were better made and fitted, in general, than current production, IME.
Not slamming Kimbers, they are decent guns, generally.
I will repeat that, if you can afford the cost, the Dan Wesson current production guns
are some of the finest examples of 1911s ever made. Do not make the error of
comparing them to Kimbers and Springfield Armory, etc. Their competition is the Les
Baer, Bill Wilson, Ed Brown guns at twice the price and up.
For the money, Ruger SR1911s are the bargain/quality sweet spot. The are no target
gems, but good solid examples, properly made in general. I do wish they would offer a
selection of front sights like they do for GP100s and RedHawks.
Bill
There are times when it is valid and useful talk about "1911s", but when you get
really down to it, you need to talk what brand and what part of their production.
Early Kimbers were better made and fitted, in general, than current production, IME.
Not slamming Kimbers, they are decent guns, generally.
I will repeat that, if you can afford the cost, the Dan Wesson current production guns
are some of the finest examples of 1911s ever made. Do not make the error of
comparing them to Kimbers and Springfield Armory, etc. Their competition is the Les
Baer, Bill Wilson, Ed Brown guns at twice the price and up.
For the money, Ruger SR1911s are the bargain/quality sweet spot. The are no target
gems, but good solid examples, properly made in general. I do wish they would offer a
selection of front sights like they do for GP100s and RedHawks.
Bill
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Fired 100 rounds with only one hiccup today. One round in first magazine didn't quite fully chamber. I could see a bright mark on case where it rubbed on tight chamber. The spot was over ther ear band of the bullet so a tighter crimp would not have helped.
I dropped load to 5 gr of Promo from 5.2. I also reduced extractor tension some, I think I had it too tight. I think this prevented rim from slipping under extractor.
I also loaded these with Hi-Tek coated bullets, not traditional lubed. Sized same as traditional lubed version.
Upside is the feeding was flawless. The ejection pattern was better too, I had fewer flung far and wide. What totally shocked me was the complete lack of leading. This size bullet, .452, has given me some leading with trational lube. The Hi-Tek gave none.
I have a .453 sizer I am trying. A loaded dummy round does chamber easily. Will load 100 and see how they do. Will be interested to see if the leading stops. These will be lubed with an SL-68 variation.
I dropped load to 5 gr of Promo from 5.2. I also reduced extractor tension some, I think I had it too tight. I think this prevented rim from slipping under extractor.
I also loaded these with Hi-Tek coated bullets, not traditional lubed. Sized same as traditional lubed version.
Upside is the feeding was flawless. The ejection pattern was better too, I had fewer flung far and wide. What totally shocked me was the complete lack of leading. This size bullet, .452, has given me some leading with trational lube. The Hi-Tek gave none.
I have a .453 sizer I am trying. A loaded dummy round does chamber easily. Will load 100 and see how they do. Will be interested to see if the leading stops. These will be lubed with an SL-68 variation.
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freebullet
Guest
You may be on to something there. Once the extractor & ejector are right put a slight polish on them. It will get real slick, fast, & consistent.
I've used .452 in 6+ 45s', it's never been a contributing factor to leading. It always seems I find a different cause. Bigger could be more accurate depending on fit, but .452 isn't generally the cause.of leading for me.
Most times for me leading comes from over crimp, load pressure/ alloy balance issue, or improper chamber throat. Based on yours being throated I'd guess backing the load down a scootch might have helped. The coated bullets can make a big change to. Least its doing better.
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freebullet
Guest
O, dear heavens...
....my offer to pay for material & whatever kinda boring bar was/is needed to make .226 star dies still stands. I'd be inclined to help or stand in the way or something if needed.Do you have a star die dimension drawing like you'd posted for Ian of the Lyman die?
Still have a host of missing die sizes for the star.
waste not...
Good and bad news.
The Star die was made into a .226 sizer. That is the good news, the bad news is that it ended up being .227.
I still need to drill a cross hole or two. I think 2 is adequate for the small amount of lube needed on a 22 bullet.
It wasn't as bad as I expected. I had a small carbide boring bar with an insert small enough to do the job. The hard part is polishing after boring. I need to get a few small brass expandable laps.
Freebullet, I will be out of town until a Friday. Maybe this coming weekend we can meet up and I will let you give it a go. I will even make a loooong .22 punch for the Star. Those are pretty easy.
The Star die was made into a .226 sizer. That is the good news, the bad news is that it ended up being .227.
I still need to drill a cross hole or two. I think 2 is adequate for the small amount of lube needed on a 22 bullet.
It wasn't as bad as I expected. I had a small carbide boring bar with an insert small enough to do the job. The hard part is polishing after boring. I need to get a few small brass expandable laps.
Freebullet, I will be out of town until a Friday. Maybe this coming weekend we can meet up and I will let you give it a go. I will even make a loooong .22 punch for the Star. Those are pretty easy.
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freebullet
Guest
Wow! You don't mess around, Brad.
.227 is not a problem for me. I'm wrapping up a job Thurs, so that could work out well. Let me know. Thank you!
.227 is not a problem for me. I'm wrapping up a job Thurs, so that could work out well. Let me know. Thank you!
