357 Maximum 180gr and 4198 - 10.5" Ruger BH?

pokute

pokute

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I wonder if I can use up some of the 4198 I got cheap in the long barreled (10.5") Ruger BH 357 Max?

I've got a nice mold for the RCBS-357-180-SIL GC that throws a decent bullet (after buying two that made bullets with ridiculously oversize gas check shanks).

Anybody here ever try this?
 
gman

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Haven’t tried it myself but read where David Bradshaw used 4198 but with jacketed bullets. Said it was very accurate but lower velocity than other powders. 4227 works well with cast. All I’ve used in mine with Remington 7.5 primers.
 
pokute

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I'm thinking ~1400fps with the 180gr SIL bullet. I'm trying to convince myself I don't need another 8 lbs of 4227 quite yet.
 
gman

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With the NOE 360-180 which is the BRP clone and weighs 187 grains checked and lubed I get 1485 FPS average with 4227. This is in my 7.5” Ruger. Haven’t chrono’d either of my 10.5” guns yet. Soon I’ll be testing an Accurate 200 grain gas checked bullet also with 4227.
 
Rick

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I haven't tried it in the Max but IMR 4198 works quite well in an FA 10" 454, 32 gr if I remember correctly with a 240 gr Sierra gave 1430 fps and Silhouette accurate. PITA to load though, need a 9 inch drop tube to get that much in the case and still be able to seat the bullet.
 
Will

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I have shot some of my best 357 max groups with 4198. Only problem is the velocity was way lower than what I needed to hunt with.
 
pokute

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Fascinating stuff. 9" drop tube?! Sounds like the amount of labor required might balance out the purchase of the tub of 4227.
 
J

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David Bradshaw made comment about 4198 to me, somthing to the effect it was very accurate, but you better have the nerves and follow through of a dead man. Meaning it is very slow and any twitch, showed really badly on target.
 
fiver

fiver

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4198 is often times used to duplicate black powder loads and pressures in stuff like the 44-40.
I wouldn't hesitate to use it here for just stuff.
 
pokute

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JSH said:
David Bradshaw made comment about 4198 to me, somthing to the effect it was very accurate, but you better have the nerves and follow through of a dead man. Meaning it is very slow and any twitch, showed really badly on target.
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I think it will be hard to twitch the 10.5" barrel much.
 
gman

gman

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In the Hodgdon 26 Edition David Bradshaw wrote the opening in the silhouette load section. He states he used 22 gr H4198 IHMSA case federal 205M primer. Bullet used Speer 200 gr TMJ. Gun used was Dan Wesson M40 V8S. Velocity 1260 fps.
 
gman

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It’s probably no good then Fiver. I suggest you send it too me asap for proper disposal!
 
pokute

pokute

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I had a DW. It was a prize gun from a competition. I'm saying no more about it's pedigree for fear of opening a can of worms. The rear sight was incapable of holding a setting (Could have replaced it with a Bowen "Ruger Old-Style", but after getting chewed an earful by Bowen for buying parts and not letting him saw on my guns, I couldn't bring myself to do it again - That and the 12 month lead time), and the shroud alignment pin was about 12 degrees away from where it should have been. It was like trying to shoot a dried up rattlesnake carcass. I will never be tempted by another DW. The Ruger is plenty good enough, and I know it's innards intimately enough to know when it's feeling poorly. Took a beating when I sold the DW, and couldn't get away from it fast enough.
 
Rick

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DW did have a couple of bad years when the company was in bankruptcy and some of the guns where a bit less than desirable. Don't turn your nose up at a Monson DW, be hard pressed to find a Ruger that would out shoot them.
 
pokute

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Palsy ain't my problem, it's getting too excited and wrecking a string by shooting too fast that's my problem.
 
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