Ben's Liquid Lube

Ben

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I've used LAR's 45/45/10 with great success, certainly nothing wrong with the lube.

About 2 yrs. ago, I decided to venture off on my on with a similar lube. I picked up a can of liquid Johnson's Wax. After reading the instructions, it stated that each added coat dissolved the earlier coats.

I thought ..." UUUmmm, this has to have a high % of solvents mixed in with the wax."

As we all know, after Lee liquid alox sits in the bottle for some time it thickens to the point of needing some type of " thinner " added to it. Seems the most commonly used substance for this is mineral spirits. Fine for thinning, but it has ZERO lube properties. I felt the Lee Liquid Alox could be thinned and improved, all in one move.

I decided to try the liquid Johnson's Wax as the thinner. I've used this mixture of alox and liquid wax on pistol bullets, both T/L design and conventional designed pistol bullets with zero leading.

I shoot a lot of bore riding .30 cal. cast bullets. Most in the 1,700 - 1,900 fps speed zone. I size & lube these with Ben's Red, then roll them in the lube I've described. The coating is thinner and tougher than conventional Lee Liquid Alox. It dries much quicker , ( 2 X - 3 X quicker ). The cast bullets don't have " Brown Globs " on them like you'll get with Lee Liquid Alox straight from the bottle. It leaves a slick, super hard , satin coating on the bullets. Once the coating is dry, the bullets don't stick to each other or your fingers.

For 2 years now, I've had nothing but excellent results using this method. I thought it was time to share this technique with all of you. It is time for the mixture to have a name. We'll name it - - Ben's Liquid Lube ( Ben's LL )

It is so simple, a 3rd grader can make this stuff,
Here are the steps :


(1) Pour straight Lee Liquid Alox into a clean plastic Ketchup bottle and fill it to the 60% level.

(2) Now finish filling the bottle with the liquid Johnson's Wax.

(3) Shake well for 60 seconds, prior to using at a later date, shake well for another 10 seconds or so.

No heating, no stirring over heat, none of that...real simple and it WORKS ! !

Here are some photos







It takes a VERY SMALL amount in the bottom of a plastic bowl with your cast bullets. A VERY SMALL AMOUNT goes a long way. Slowly swirl your cast bullets in a circular motion in the bottom of the bowl with Ben's Liquid Lube for about 15 seconds, put them out on wax paper to dry. They will dry quickly, much quicker than liquid alox alone.







 
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Ian

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So easy a cave man could do it! I'm proof! Just one coat that's almost too thin to notice is plenty for pistol bullets, I know that for sure. Dries fast, smells much better than straight liquid Alox, Very accurate, low smoke, and the liquid wax somehow keeps the Alox from leaving calcium deposits in the bore.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I need to try this stuff. 45/45/10 isn't bad but if this stuff is better, I'm all in.
 

Ian

Notorious member
It's light years better than 45/45/10, this coming from the guy who runs screaming for the hills at the mention of any sort of Alox.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
You don't like Alox? Huh, never knew that......
I will be looking for some liquid wax soon. I can see lots of places this might be a good idea.
 

Ian

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If you put it in your hair it will add 5 MPH to your top speed and make you look ten years younger.

I've learned a lot about mixtures and solutions through studying bullet alloy, precipitation hardening, and soap lube. One thing that always turned me off to any of the Alox or calcium-soap based lubricants is that over time they all seemed to leave a hard deposit in the barrel. Remember TnT? That stuff de-soaped at high pressure in some guns (not all) and left a burnt brown residue that could adversely affect accuracy after a few shots. Then someone added lithium soap grease to it and fixed that. Someone else added wax incrementally and noticed that at about 15% wax that de-soaping problem stopped with both sodium AND lithium brick greases. With alloys, we know that too much of one thing can leave fouling in the barrel unless bound up with something else in the dendrite structure....now, what does this have to do with BLL? Everything. I haven't been using it for long, but so far I'm not seeing the usual ashy calcium fouling at all. I suspect that the stuff in the Johnson's liquid wax binds up the calcium in the Alox pretty well and keeps it from dumping hard deposits in the barrel. Accuracy is far better and more consistent than with the other liquid lubes, too, in fact in my revolvers it's on par with most of the traditional lubes at the short ranges and low pressures I tested. Will continue to test and verify as time goes on. I'd pretty much given up on liquid lube coatings until Ben came up with this.
 

Brad

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Liquid coatings just scream to be used for things like 38 wadcutters. Stuff I shoot in large numbers with small charges of powder. The speed and ease of use just makes them always an attractive alternative. The fact this one seems to be working so well makes it even better.
Has anyone pushed it very hard? Say a 9mm?
 
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The "ashy" calcium fouling wouldn't by chance look a bit like leading would it? I experienced a gray barrel deposit with 50/50 beeswax and some greases in the past. I posted pics online and was told it was likely antimonial "wash". Whatever it was, it came right out with a patch and solvent.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Probably was "antimony wash". What I'm referring to looks like someone flicked cigarette ashes in the bore, and the parts that get ironed on each shot accumulate like lead but not as difficult to remove. Looks like lead oxide almost, light grey to whiteish streaks. The problem lies in the inconsistent nature of this buildup. Both antimony wash and calcium deposits come out pretty easily with a patch, but the appearance is different. Both can cause the same accuracy problems due to shot-to-shot irregularities as the stuff moves around.
 

Ben

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Seems that the liquid One Step floor wax that we need to make Ben's Liquid Lube is being discontinued.

Here is a message from the company :

I’m sorry to share SC Johnson® One Step No Buff Wax is no longer being made. That said, your continued interest has been shared with the team.
We’re always working on new and exciting products and sometimes, in order to make room for them at the store, we have to decide which ones to take off the shelf. It’s a decision we don’t take lightly, and consumer and retailer interest helps us choose which stay.
Meantime, you may be interested to try Pledge® FloorCare Finish. This finish provides a beautiful, transparent, long-lasting shine that stands up to the wear and tear of heavy traffic without yellowing. It also helps restore the shine of older floors and prevents dirt from getting trapped in grooves and indentations, which makes cleaning floors easier.
And so you can give it a try on us, a full value coupon is on its way to the address you provided. Please expect it to arrive in about two weeks.

Best regards,

Rachel
Consumer Relationship Center
SC Johnson, A Family Company
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I went to Lowe's today. They had about 14 ea., 22 oz. containers
of the liquid wax , when I left they didn't have that many.

I don't want to be in a situation in the future where
I cannot make Ben's Liquid Lube !

Ben

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Ben

Moderator
Staff member
Can you tell that I like Ben's Liquid Lube
and don't plan to be without it in the future.

Ben
 

Ian

Notorious member
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next thing they'll discontinue Ivory soap. Vaseline and STP have already been ruined, and Dexron III is going the way of the Dodo bird as well, though it will be around for a while yet and is still really cheap.

Thanks for the notice, Ben, I guess I'll have to go score a few more cans, just in case I get really hooked on it. I bought a new .45 ACP Lee mould just so I could gravitate more toward this tumble lube. I want to be able to load and store certain kinds of ammo for many years without worry about brass or powder degradation, and as of yet there are very few formulas I'm willing to use that can be trusted for more than about five years.
 

Rick

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Well geez, all they offered is a coupon and an alternative for your floors? Did they offer you an alternative for bullet lube? NOOOOOOOO. :mad:
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I suppose I better look for some this weekend if I ever want to give this stuff a try.

Ben, are you working on an alternative yet?
 

Ian

Notorious member
"Coupons? Ju offer coupons? My cheeldren are dying and ju offer me steenking COUPONS?"
 

Ben

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Staff member
I'm unclear on just how long the remaining stock will last in stores.
I didn't want to gamble.
This " stash " that I have right now should last me the rest of my life.
Now with my luck, the same announcement will be made regarding Alox.:)
 

Ben

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Staff member
More info on One Step :
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The products are quite different. While Pledge® FloorCare Multi Surface Finish is water based, SC Johnson® One Step is solvent based – and only sold in the US.

Stores in the US that may still order are the DIY home stores (Home Depot, Lowe's) and hardware stores like Ace and True Value. Unfortunately, we can't ship US stock to Canada because of export regulations.

I hope this helps!

Best regards,

Denise
Consumer Relationship Center
SC Johnson, A Family Company
 

Ben

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Staff member
I'm leary of the water based formulas for replacements for One Step.

I think I'll stay with a proven performer with the solvent based One Step.

I have no interest in testing the water based replacements.