Elmer would be proud ! !

[Ben]

The Lyman 358429 Keith Style bullet.
This was always one of Elmer Keith's favorites.
Still a great bullet today.
Mine weigh an average of 169.8 and drop from the mould with
clip on WW's at .3585 ".
I thought that I'd get my mould out and cast a few to try in my 357 Maximum rifle.

Here is my " Max Rifle " and 3X9X40 Leupold scope that I'll be testing the 429's in :

I'll be staying below 1,200 fps with this one.
Think that I'll shoot a few out of standard 357 magnum cases and also try the bullet in some 357 Max. brass to get the bullet closer to the origin of the rifling. I'm thinking the 357 Max cases may yield the best groups ? ?

Ben

As you can see, my version has the square bottom lube ring.
Carries a bit more lube than the round bottom lube ring version.

 

[fiver]

I tried running some 375 super mag rounds in my 375 win chamber and it didn't work out so well.
but I thought I might as well try them.

of course that's more like 1/2" of jump not .10 jump, and I have seen 38 special brass out shoot 357 mag brass with every thing else being equal so you have a good chance of pretty good accuracy.

 

[Ben]

Fiver :

I have seen 38 special brass out shoot 357 mag brass with every thing else being equal

With respects to your comment on the .38 Spec., ..... In this day of " magnum mania ", I continue to think that the 38 Special will meet about 90 % or more of my handgun needs.

The Keith style bullet that you see above doesn't have to be doing 1,500 fps to be lethal. I find it very lethal at 800 fps.

Ben

 

[Ian]

Reading through this I was going to say what Fiver already said. That jump is usually no big deal at the worst, and may actually be an improvement at best, notwithstanding the carbon ring thing.

 

[KeithB]

As far as how far a bullet "jumps" before it hits the rifling and the effect on accuracy - I can understand the logic and experience that shows that minimal jump is a good thing - but then why is my most accurate revolver a M625? I have a variety of N frames in .41 and .44 that vary little in weight and other characteristics yet the M625 with it's yard long bullet jump tops them all. Seems like bullet jump matters except when it doesn't.

 

[quicksylver]

As far as how far a bullet "jumps" before it hits the rifling and the effect on accuracy - I can understand the logic and experience that shows that minimal jump is a good thing - but then why is my most accurate revolver a M625? I have a variety of N frames in .41 and .44 that vary little in weight and other characteristics yet the M625 with it's yard long bullet jump tops them all. Seems like bullet jump matters except when it doesn't.

Never figured that one out with either my 25 or 625... (all ways liked the 25 better)...don't know why I added that, just felt good i guess

 

[fiver]

it's surprising the penetration you can get from some sedate velocity's too.
I shot one of our cows down through the skull and into the neck with a 358477 on top of 4grs of 231 in a 38 special case.
it was moving along at about 750 fps.
later when we got it all skinned out [not fun to do with a 600 lb cow right on the ground BTW]
I found it had about 18" of penetration down into the neck and I could have probably re-loaded the bullet.
the super fancy ww's and some Tin bullet just plowed it's way through solid bone twice and then solid muscle the rest of the way.

 

[Bret4207]

Same thing here. Shot a downed cow in the head with a 429421 out of a Charter BD at what can't be more than 800 fps or so. Found the bullet in the neck, a good foot from the entrance. That was just old WW alloy.

 

[KHornet]

311429 has always been my favorite 357/38S bullet.
It just plain works!

Paul