Favorite Mould For The 6.5x55

Ian

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Crimping depends on powder used and how you need to let them get started at the rifling. For mild loads, I found the Dutchman trick of leaving the bellmouth at chamber neck size when using "correct" brass with too-thin necks to be slightly helpful to accuracy. When working toward accuracy at much higher velocities, I found it necessary to use brass made from carefully fireformed military .30-'06 cases and slower-burning powders, together with compacting-type ground polyethylene filler...and a slight crimp. Consider the crimp like a transmission brake on a drag racing car, it lets more power build before the bullet releases. Sometimes you want that, sometimes you don't.
 

Paden

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Thanks Ian. Before you posted I was about to come back and edit my last (again), but I'll let it stand now. Have done some more digging, and read some more of the great CM debate (elsewhere)... Did manage to glean a few nuggets of knowledge from amongst the pissing match tho, and learned a few things since last post. Interestingly, the RCBS 57904 looks amazingly similar to the 170 CM, except it apparently drops at ~.265 and 140 grains with #2. My preference in general is for the heaviest bullet I can get away with (in the 160ish range, if possible), but am really interested in seeing/trying this one.
 

Maven

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Here's a target I shot @ 50 yd. from my "as issued" Swedish Mauser in August, 2014. The bullet was the LBT 140-SPGC I wrote about earlier, sized to .267" with an OAL of 2.93". The charge was 9.1 - 9.2gr. of Unique.

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Ian

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Whoa, I missed that one. Looks like a CM knock-off with some of the problems fixed. Tell us more....
 

yodogsandman

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Sorry, still a "work in progress". Working out a problem I'm having to prevent the case neck from resizing the bullet. That and some of my bullets were being bent and bumped while sizing with the RCBS LAM II. Received a new "M" type sizer from Buckshot to fix the neck and got a Lee push-thru to possibly prevent getting the bent ones.

Will start on it again after the hunting season.
 

Paden

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Well, I've acquired a few bullets to play with: a RCBS 57904 at 157 grains, and a Lyman 266469 at about 143 grains. Both heat treated Lyman #2 at ~22 BHN...
Next challenge will be finding a powder to make them happy down around the 1600-1900 fps range. Don't think I can pull that off with N160 or N560.:)
I wonder if N110 would be an option...? Or...I'll have to go shopping.

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Ben

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Paden,

Those have a keen resemblance to the 6.5 mould that I recently bought from Maven.
Yours has an extra drive band that my mould does not have :


 
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Paden

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Paden,

Those have a keen resemblance to the 6.5 that I recently bought from Maven...
I thought they bore a striking resemblance to the CM (?). That RCBS 57904 was/is a custom mould; I don't know its history or original date of commission. MBW is casting it, and I know where I can get a mould... I don't have any appropriate powder for these type bullets on hand currently. Will need to scrounge up some 4895 or N133...and see how it shoots.
 

Glen

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Nope, no crimp or filler. I generally seat it so the GC is even with the base of the neck to cover as many lube grooves as possible, and size the bullets .266".
 
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9.3X62AL

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Interesting read so far. Question #1 concerns the above-mentioned Ruger 77 chambered in 6.5 x 55--I have one of these, a Mark II in 77R form and unmodified. My understanding from an unrecalled published source is that their rifling is pitched at 1-9", but I haven't checked it first-hand. It LOVES any jacketed 140 grain bullet, stacks them right on top of one another--from Hornady #2630 through NosParts. It even runs the Barnes Condor Cuddlers at 1.25"-1.5" at 100 yards.

About 2 years ago I did a shoot-off with this rifle to gauge its preferences as to pourings. I borrowed moulds from my NCBS confederates, Lymans #266469 and #266673. I put all castings up in 92/6/2 alloy, both moulds cast at about .267" IIRC. This was fine, the Ruger has .264" grooves and not quite a .265" throat. Buckshot turned me a .265" H&I sizer, and I went to work building bullets and cartridges. I have yet to unearth the load records, but I cobbled up four powder types/weights calculated to deliver 1600-1700 fps. Bullets were seated to give a slight interference fit into the throat and without regard to magazine fit--this was a pure accuracy test. A month's worth of range time (4 visits) concluded that the Loverin design shot about 20% to 25% smaller groups overall than did the silhouette design. Upshot was that I bought a Lyman #266469 for this rifle, and it also drops at .267" in 92/6/2 alloy. Likely not good a for a lot of the Swede milsurps out there, and WAY too small for a now-departed M1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer I once masochistically struggled with--but for the Ruger it works all right. Loverins are like Whelen's view of the 30-06......they are never a mistake. Mannlicher-Scoenauers are like dating cotillion debutantes--beautiful to look at and fun to play with, but impossible to please and have steak & lobster preferences. I speak from personal experience on both sides of that last analogy.
 
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Paden

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Glen, thank you very kindly.

9.3X62AL, this is the Ruger I have; it's 1:8. I've checked it: http://www.lipseysguns.com/post/Ruger-77-RSI-International-Stainless-65X55mm.aspx

Both my others (Win Low Wall, and Win M70 Featherweight) are 1:8 as well. All three are grooved at .264.

Finding load data has been challenging, as few folks seem to be loading cast for the modern guns. All the focus is with the milsurps. I have Ackley's two volume book, Hatcher's Notebook, and a few internet gleanings, but otherwise my manual library is less than 30 years old... I really enjoy the 6.5x55 cartridge and greatly appreciate everyone's continued input.
 
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9.3X62AL

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1:8" (actually 5 turns/meter, or 1:7.9") is the "standard" twist given to military Mauser rifles in this caliber. Whatever it is, it runs jacketed bullets in this Ruger of mine VERY well. FWIW, I found in the Speer Manual #13 under the data for "6.5 x 55" that Speer used a Ruger 77 Mk II to shoot the data, and listed a 1:9.5" twist. GMBTA.

I can't help thinking that the original Mauser twist rate was a strong fashion statement for its time. A contemporary development in this country--the Winchester 1894 lever rifle series--had the 25-35 WCF as one of its nice new smokeless caliber offerings. This long-bullet load used a 1"8" twist like that of the Swede, and I don't think this condition was accidental. I loaded my 6.5mm castings at lower speeds based on my experience with the 25-35/NEI #21, a 114 grain FNGC. Run it up to 1600 FPS, and it shot wonderfully--bump it past 1650, and accuracy went to h--l. I didn't "scale" bullets, but did give them a hard unforgiving eyeball. Given the fast twist rates here, increase velocity slowly......I don't want to start an RPM brouhaha, but it is a possible variable to keep in mind.
 
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Ian

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All that the RPM monster does is show you where you were making mistakes all along, but hadn't been pushing things fast enough to notice. The Ruger M77s ought to be a cake walk past 1600 fps compared to the military-issue Swedish Mausers, but not because of slightly slower twist rate. Becase of narrower lands, tighter throats, and the ability to shoot a shorter bullet.