Grizzly G0765

Gary

SE Kansas
Well, I don't have enough material to double up on the bench top, so I'm going to mill some White Oak (or Walnut) for the top layer of my bench top. Seeing as how my neighbor and I run a "Rube Goldberg" home built saw mill I have the rough milled stock at hand. A bunch of sealer coats of Shellac and finish with rattle can spray Poly. Should do the trick after it's glued and screwed to the base material of the top(3/4" ply).
I'll probably follow Ian's "drip pan" method of gunk collection and maybe even a top extension on the back splatter shield.
Thanks again for all the suggestions, and please keep them coming. Can't hardly stand the wait for the tooling to arrive next week.;);)
 

Ian

Notorious member
Gary, something we need to work on is a good way to mount a dial indicator to read the apron position. When working close to the chuck, there just isn't much room and no good, magnetic place to mount a base. The plastic control box cover is actually very stiff and is held on with four screws, I'm thinking there has to be a good way to mount an indicator base directly to the housing somehow. If not, there's bound to be a way to put a 6" DRO strip on the frame somewhere.

Something else you'll want to do while waiting for tooling is to remove the cs, compound, carriage, half-nut, and tailstock levers, clean the threads with brake cleaner or alcohol, and re-install them with a healthy drop of medium-strength threadlocker. They will drive you nuts later by coming unscrewed on you at the worst times if you don't.
 
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KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
For the Z (longitudinal) axis could you make some type of bracket to clamp a 6" caliper to the bedways and the carriage? How about a square bar with a hole through it that you could clamp in your toolholder and mount an indicator to it? Just throwing out ideas here.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
I know what you mean Ian. I've tried mounting the magnetic base on top of the Lathe right over the Spindle and it doesn't have a very tight grip. What I thought I'd do is screw a 3x3 chunk of 1/8" plate right over the Spindle if there's no interference with the Lathe's function. Keith's suggestion(s) are also good. My cutter bars, QCTP 1/2" Chuck and other stuff should arrive mid next week. LMS is going to love me.:D
 

Ian

Notorious member
My magnetic indicators are both extremely sturdy on the case above the spindle, but that's not a good place to mount a carriage travel indicator. My idea was to get a 3" travel indicator and drill a hole in the switch cover for the end to have room to move. I pulled the cover and there's plenty of space behind the switches and board to drill a hole and epoxy in a piece of tubing to keep the indicator rod from getting tangled up with wires or chips getting in there. The challenge then is to mount a rod for the indicator to ride on, parallel to the Z axis, and also make it adjustable where it would slide out of the way to the left when working the carriage close to the chuck.

I'll give it some more thought, right now I'm engineering a picatinny barrel mount for my Savage Hog Hunter so I can mount a reflex thermal sight far enough away that my aging eyes can focus on the screen. Will have to bore a tapered hole and do some manual milling with the lathe, stay tuned...
 

Intheshop

Banned
Get a small fan,you're looking for a gentle 2-3 mph breeze going across your work station or cell.Don't be leaning over your lathe (big no no on it anyway),even when it's NOT running.....sucking up fumes.

I've been exposed to way too many chems the last 40+ years.Don't be a statistic,think OSHA approved work stations....it only costs a cpl bucks.Try to design in guards that ENHANCE the experience....it only costs a little thinking to be safe.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Rustoleum hammered,deep green paint is 20$ a qt.Get it off amazon.Dead ringer for Grizz green......you know,when it has to match?

Follow directions,I believe it's reduced with xylene (sp).No hardner needed.Prime and then a med. heavy wet coat.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Got in the shop this evening and removed the chuck cause I couldn't hardly turn the gears. Took it apart (twice) cause I couldn't get the gear on the bottom that engages the jaws out of the chuck. Watched some Utube videos and went at it again. I had to use a brass rod and my hammer to finally get it out. Lots of millings in there. Cleaned and wiped out the chuck body and placed the gear back in; problem, it stopped short of bottoming out and I had to lightly tap it down. Long story short I got it all back together and it moves better, but if it doesn't loosen up some more I'll take it down again and put it on my PM 3520 and sand the outside until it just drops in the body without the use of my hammer.
 

Ian

Notorious member
If it's like mine, every moving piece and part of the lathe is covered in gritty grime, metal shavings, etc. They don't clean anything up, they just make it and slam it together. The carriage gibs will all be full of that junk, as will the tailstock, all the leadscrews, the half-nut guides, the clamping surface under the bedways on front, back, and middle undersides....and yes the chucks too. Get used to pulling stuff completely down and rinsing off the grit and grime, it will give you a chance to re-adjust everything and become acquainted with the machine.

Don't skip the spindle bearing break in, either. After you do it and feel the difference it will make sense why.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Hmm. Not my experience with the G4003G at all. I expected it but did not find anything.

I followed the break-in procedure exactly, then ran it 10 minutes in ALL speeds. I figured that all the gears
needed the breaking as much as any of them did.

About to change my gearbox oil. I put in a street el, ball valve and extended drain line before I filled my
gearbox. The plug was flush on the side, about half way up the casting. I could see nothing but grief in
the process of draining the old oil, so fixed it before any oil went in.

Bill
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Just came in from the shop, Lordy it's HOT out there. Metal building, no air conditioner just a fan. I'm going to wait until this evening when it cools down to the low 90's.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Still can't get the chuck to turn in and out smoothly, time to take it down again and get some of the rough edges off the outside of the bottom gear.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Question: I'm going to get a 4 Jaw chuck and would like to know if I should get a 3" or 4" chuck? LMS has them on sale right now and I got a check in the mail yesterday.:)
 

Ian

Notorious member
I got the 3" 4-jaw on sale and would recommend something larger, in fact would suggest investigating the 5" 4-jaw and adapter plate. My 3" 3-jaw is great, all I had to do was pull the jaws out and clean them, never had any trouble with it binding and it runs within .002" of true with the jaws flipped to the outside hold. My spindle flange is already drilled for both 3 and 4 bolt patterns, hope yours is too, I know at one point they were not and that was a DIY operation that sounds like a royal PITA to get right.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
I'm thinking 4" 4 Jaw, I don't envision turning anything bigger than this chuck will handle.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The problem with the 3" is limited inside clamping size and limited jaw tip length on the outside. If you can't clamp it on the inside and have to flip the jaws around, there isn't much grip surface so you have to work close to the chuck. I consider my 3" 4-jaw to be a 1"-capacity chuck for that reason. A chuck spider would help a lot when trying to hold larger items.

One huge selling point for me with the G0765 was the 1-3/4" steady rest capacity, much better than the 8x16 with only 1-1/4" capacity. You'll need the steady when working on the end of something that's longer than about 3".
 

Ian

Notorious member
I noticed yesterday that my carriage gibs were starting to get loose after all the use and break in, so this afternoon I decided to pull that all apart and give it a good cleaning and inspection. It had bothered me that there were certain parts I hadn't been able to clean without disassembling it, so no time like the present. Turns out there was a lot more black, gritty mill scale under the carriage than I had suspected, so it was a good thing. The gibs that ride under the bed need to be level and tensioned with a series of screws and set screws, and one of the set screws doesn't have a lock nut due to being located directly above the handwheel gear, so it got a little bit of threadlocker when I put it back. All the screws and threaded holes need a good cleaning and blow-dry with compressed air. I pulled the back shield off and the apron off the carriage in order to access the gib screws, then after cleaning and oiling everything put it back together, being careful to keep the gibs nice and level with the bed ways via the set screws when snugging everything down. After getting all that done I discovered the leadscrew didn't perfectly align with the half nuts, even after adjusting the apron position repeatedly. The leadscrew actually wasn't parallel to the bedways on either axis, so more teardown required and I had to slot the screw holes on both leadscrew bearing blocks to finally get it in the correct position to not flex or bind when the half-nuts were engaged. A .005" shim behind the tailstock end bearing block brought the leadscrew out to parallel that way, and after removing the control panel housing and leadscrew block on the headstock end for hole enlargement, I finally got the leadscrew moved up enough to run perfectly centered in the half nuts and not bind no matter where the carriage is located.

A note on the leadscrew blocks. The one on the headstock end isn't accessible without removing the control panel, and there is nothing in the instructions about oiling it. I had wondered about that since there is a ball oiler on the other one. Well, there's an oil HOLE, but no oiler on the left one. You will want to remover the switch panel, leadscrew end gear, banjo, and block and clean all the nasty gunk out of it all (including the bearing block mounting holes) and make sure the oil hole in the block is clear and clean. Oil the leadscrew bearing surface and inside of the block, then fill the oil hole up before putting it back together. I thought about greasing it since it's not easily accessible, and that may be what was intended, but everything else on the machine takes oil so I stuck with that.

This is all a royal pain and takes a lot of patience and thought, but if you go through it sooner than later (and disassemble, clean, and adjust all the other gibs and leadscrews while you're at it) I think the machines will last a lot longer.