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Full.lead.taco

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If you buy one as an individual, the cost is only for the tax stamp which is a set cost of $200 per suppressor, short barreled rifle, or short barreled shotgun. I think the best way to buy them is through a trust, so that anybody who is on the trust may be in possession of them, ie: wife, family members, close friends. Trusts can be set up for around $100 these days, and this is a one time thing.
 

Ian

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I agree, trusts are better because they can allow access or possession by more than just you, and you don't have to keep your items locked away from your wife to keep her from automatically being a felon if you leave your SBR under the bed while you're at work or a suppressor in your range bag if she borrows your truck, etc. etc. Trusts also make a lot of sense because none of us live forever and those left to clean up the mess after we're gone will appreciate how an NFA trust plans for this. The only complication now is after 41P now every "responsible person" on the trust must complete the fingerprint cards and 5320.20 (basically like a 4473) every time a transfer or making application is submitted, so it's a huge hassle of time and expense for every future addition.
 

Ian

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Kevin, I actually paid an NFA attorney to draft my NFA trust, that cost a few hundred dollars but it custom-fits our situation. You can buy "canned trusts" like FLT mentioned, some are better than others so beware. PM me if you need more information. The suppressor is one I made myself after getting ATF approval and paying the $200 tax. I have less than $50 in the suppressor itself, most of that being in the titanium end cap that mounts on the brake.
 

Full.lead.taco

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I also ended up hiring a lawyer here who specializes in NFA trusts to do mine. My friends, however, have all used the "canned trusts" and it has worked out well for them. Silencerco offers a trust for $130 that is 50 states legal. Silencershop.com sells their trust paperwork for $130 also which is legal in 50 states.
 
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Ian

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I finally got around to working up a thumper load for the NEF. Lee 457-340-RF, sized .454 and then sized again .452 and powder coated, then sized .454 again just for good measure. Did a little work in QL and decided to try the new Hodgdon Universal running max SAA pressure at 940 fps. I was looking for a quiet load (fast powder) and with a bullet that heavy anything faster-burning made too much pressure for the velocity I wanted. 6.4 grains worked out fine and is comfortable to shoot with the suppressor without ears, but is not exactly quiet, so I may play with powders some more in the future. The loads I put through it before were much more quiet (Blue dot and 300-grain WFN) so the slower powders at lower peak pressure may end up being more quiet in this setup after all, we'll see). No video, had to stop and scorch some pig and red deer for supper.

Two things I noticed about the new Canadian, purple Universal: It leaves a purple/blue/red scorch mark on the case mouths like Titegroup does, and it almost exactly matched my Lee disc chart for volume vs. weight with the .71 cc disc.
 
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freebullet

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Some interesting points & observations.

As a guy that likes quiet loads but, has no cans & velocity is not a priority-
Work a tg load backwards from around 7.5-8gr.

Or run a start load of hs6 BUT, with a magnum primer. Can work that backward till it starts to burn dirty again(just before that point you should have found some silent fun). Made a really quiet 45acp load that way. Also have a 380 load with same, it functions the 238 every time & the cases jump out all cute like & fall on your foot. Just some thoughts.