Looking for a Caster

lkydvl

Member
I'm looking for someone to do some bullet casting for me. I am unable for various reasons to do my own casting any longer. I have molds that can be used or you can use your own depending on the bullets required.

I am in SW MN but willing to pay for the shipping and the service.

Thanks,

Andre`
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
Technically - yes. You can give them away, but if there is any exchange of goods or money it is illegal w/o the proper license.
 

Ian

Notorious member
No, you need an FFL to cast bullets for anyone's consumption other than your own. Technically, there's verbiage about "engaged in the business of" in the ATF's laws, which would seemingly allow a person to make bullets and give them to friends, but if there is any more convoluted and omnipotent beast than the ATF I don't know what it is...maybe the IRS? ITAR is all about the IRS, so you are dancing with both of them if you take money for ammunition components you make, and even "good will" has been considered a form of payment by the alphabet agencies in the past.

Ammunition component manufacturers (such as commercial bullet casters, engaged in the business of making bullets for a living) also need to have a class 06 FFL license and pay the ITAR tax in order to operate. If you have acquired some commercially produced (cast, jacket, monolith, whatever) or milsurp pulldown bullets which were made by a licensed manufacturer, you can sell/trade/give those to anyone just like a bag of Skittles or spark plugs.

So basically if someone isn't properly licensed they cannot legally help you out.
 
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KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I may have written something wrong then, I thought outright gifts of home cast bullets were legal within the US as long as there is no exchange of value.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Keith, I just went and dug back through the legalese and it would appear that you are correct, however there are grey areas intentionally left grey for the purposes of enforcement at will, as with most NFA and BATFE laws. Also, there's a difference of intent between giving an internet friend a hand full of bullets to try out vs. large scale supply, even for free.

Andre' asked to pay for services, which is not OK any way you slice it unless someone like Creeker (who may still have some time left on his licenses since he retired) can do it.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but since the thing being asked is illegal on a federal level with two different agencies for most of us to do, it bears pointing out.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
barter exchange and giveaway is fine.
the key words in the enforcement is engaging in trade for livelihood.
a few hundred this or that in trade for some alloy or a mold is not going to get the feds attention.


Andre.
it's been a long time since I have seen you on the boards, I hope everything is well.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but since the thing being asked is illegal on a federal level with two different agencies for most of us to do, it bears pointing out.

Me neither, I'd just hate to read about one of the members here getting in trouble over something innocent and insignificant.
 

lkydvl

Member
Thank you for the replies. Am dealing with Drs again this week so have not responded.

Most of my needs are in BPCR calibers. I do have some needs in 338 and 358 rifle but they are not as specific and most anything in the general weight I use would do. The BPCR stuff is needed in 20 & 30:1 alloys. The rifles have dictated their preferences in bullet styles which I will need to get a list of so folks know what I am looking for.

My BPCR molds are not setup for any auto or semi auto casters. I have Magma Cast Masters and a Master caster I used for handgun bullets. Never cast BPCR bullets with them tho. Those are cast with their regular handles.



Andre`
 
Hello Andre,

Did you ever get your needs met? My understanding of the law is that your doing to make a living/add to your living. What you do with the profits is also important to the ATF. Using the proceeds to feed your guns is not something they care about.

Anyway, if you still need some casting done let me know.


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