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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Ok, it is a simple tool, and I almost just scrapped the original thing, but I decided it was handy enough
to keep and make a handle for. Serious overkill, but I had fun and validated my knurling,
and extended it to a long part for the first time. Going to make a S&W revolver rebound
spring tool, next.

The original problem was a new to me very early Kimber 1911, a "Clackamas" gun, first year
of production, Custom Classic. It had been shot very little but I decided to tear it all the way
down to inspect it and check a few things, like extractor tension and set up the hammer and
sear properly. In any case, I tried to remove the firing pin stop, normally no big deal. This one
wouldn't move, even with a small screwdriver prying on the bottom rear of the sight
(it overhangs on this model). Hmm. never saw this before. After trying a 1/8" punch to
depress the FP and push down with my hand, quite hard, nothing. So, I went to the
lathe and turned a 5/16" rod down to make a tip which perfectly fits the FP stop, just the
correct length to depress the FP to release the stop. With the slide in a vise it took three
good hammer blows on the rod tool to drive the FP stop out of the slide.:eek: That is way out
of line!
Turns out the FP stop was about .002 interference fit on thickness and about .008"
interference with the extractor cut, although alright on slide width (once the thickness
was filed down a hair) without the extractor. I deepend the extractor slot a bit, until it
was about flush, then fitted the width a hair. Now it all goes in and out smoothly. The extractor
was acting like an extremely strong leaf spring, jamming it in, plus the thickness
interference.

I was looking at the rod and almost just faced it back off. But I decided that it would be
a nice, quick tool for disassembling 1911s, which I do frequently for cleaning.

I decided to make a nice handle. I dug out my knurling size spreadsheet and .490 was
the first size under .500 stock I was using. So, I turned it down .010" and set up to knurl.
This was going to be the first time to knurl wider than the wheels, so I set up the automatic
feed to 96 TPI, started knurling.
Once I had the depth working and the piece well oiled, I engaged the feed lever and
watched. I made a video of the process, although you can barely see the feed rate. Once
I figure out how to post it, I may put it up.


The knurling turned out well, and I drilled and tapped - first time with my spiral point tap.
It really did make it easier. Still reserving judgement for after I tap some steel.

But, I had good results from parting off with a very thin parting tool I found in my stuff and
had to use a 1/4" tool bit as a spacer in the QCTP holder. I ran it at 70 rpm and it just cut great
and was stable all the way to breakoff. I set it up very accurately on center, had it as short
an overhang as possible, and the tip was slightly angled, left to right. It is only 1/16" thick
HS stock, with a slight taper to give clearance on the sides.
partoff02.jpg

Here is the final result. I think it is a nice looking tool, although a bit of overkill, it will
make popping out the FP stop a breeze. I left the steel shank long in case I need to hit
it with a brass hammer some time for another recalcitrant FP stop.
FPstop_tool01.jpg
 
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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Thanks, fiver. I think I am getting the hang of knurling. Aluminum is easier. I will wait until I have a steel part
that looks that good before I think I have it figured out, but making progress.

Bill
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Well done!
Anything I knurl I wash with some soap and scrub with a toothbrush to get all those little bits of metal off.

I do need to go and measure the pitch of my knurls
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Yes. You can see the aluminum dust on my fingers in the cutoff pic, that is after blowing it off with
a high pressure air blast. Doesn't get all of it off. I scrubbed it with a scrub brush and dish soap to
get the residue off. Give me the wheel diam and number of teeth and I'll make you a chart, if you
want me to.

Very odd thing. Pix that I take with the phone get rotated 90 deg right when I post them?:confused: Even after
running through Paint to resize and crop, same thing. Had to start with a version of that one
upper on with the top to the left side to get it right in the post.

The other pic, taken with a real camera, no problems. What you start with is how it posts.
Strange things with computers.

Bill
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Srre, but here --. Even better.

http://www.shars.com/clamp-type-knurling-tool-1

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Clamp type, on the recommendation of my tool and die maker friend, to be easier on the spindle bearings.
He says never use the normal single sided ones, way too much side load on the spindle bearings.

I probably should have drilled the free end and put the tailstock center in it, but it worked. Next time
I will support both ends.

Keith,
Thanks, that means a lot, and of course, it wouldn't have turned out so well without your kind education
on the topic!

Bill
 
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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
How about this, Ian?


I was VERY careful to keep the phone clear of the chuck, as much as
it looks like it was close, it was not.

Bill
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
Bill, no criticism intended, what you made came out great, but you could probably up your axial feed rate when knurling and still get a good knurl. Maybe you're feeding it slow because of power and rigidity considerations, I don't have a feel for that.

Here is a page of info about knurling and knurling wheels. There are different wheel profiles available, including one that really reduces axial feed forces and stress on the tool edges. When I bought different pitch wheels for my tool I ordered the convex full profile type.
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/78658424?fromRR=Y

Love your knurling tool, I'm using the conventional type. Your friend is right, it does put a high radial load on the spindle bearings. Not a big problem on a larger lathe, but it still pushes/deflects the part sideways. I gotta buy or build one like yours!
 

Ian

Notorious member
Nice, how was your Vimeo experience?

I'm seeing big need for flood coolant or at least a mister system when you do harder metals. I'm looking at a set that has both bevel and sharp edged cutters. Yours appear beveled and what I understand are less likely to chip off on the edges due to the debris piling up. With my ball bearing spindle I will most definitely go with the clamp type.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I use lots of oil when I knurl. I coat the knurls and the area to be knurled with cutting oil. It also helps to use an old, or your wife's, toothbrush to clean the metal bits from the knurls after each use.
On Al I sprits with WD40 as I go, it helps float away bits of metal instead of letting them dig in.

I get my tool set up then turn on the lathe. I follow the get it in there and then back out quick school of thought.

What I use.
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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Vimeo was super easy. No sweat. Seems to work fine.

Keith, - I started slow because I don't know any better. I can probably turn the workpiece
faster, and feed far faster, but I have learned to take things slowly in absence of knowledge,
work your way up. I appreciate the info, that will make me more confident to increase speed
of feeding. I figured it can't possibly hurt, might help to stay slow. I expect that going to twice the axial
feed rate would be no problem, still 48 TPI, pretty slow. I was turning at 70 RPM, will try 200 RPM
next time.
Wow, the cobalt steel individual wheels cost more than I paid for the tool with three pairs
of wheels. My cheapo tool is fine for aluminum and brass, probably less durable for mild steel,
and if you want to knurl harder steels.....I am sure the cobalt nitrocarburized wheels are the
way to go.

As to Brad's tool, it looks real nice. I expect it works about the same, but maybe you can adjust
tighter with a wrench. Mine is just finger tightening, but I tighten a bit, then let it run a few seconds,
then tighten a bit more, etc. until the knurl is proper depth, checked by stopping the spindle and looking
closely at the rear, where visual access is better. Once full depth is achieved, start axial feed.

Ian, I think a shot of WD40, mostly because it is an oily liquid available pressurized, not for any
mystical properties, would help, but a few drops of motor oil every 30 sec or so worked fine, less
mess and fussing. Also lubes the wheel axles.

Making a S&W rebound spring tool next, will make a similar handle for it, using faster rotational
and axial speeds. Baby steps. :D

Bill
 
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Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
My tool is quite easy to adjust. With spindle off you get the knurls at 180° to each other and firm against the stock. Back off cross slide. Tighten the big nut 1/2 turn. Start spindle and crank cross slide until knurls are at 180° to each other. Either back off again or start auto feed. Once knurl is complete back off cross slide and turn off spindle.

Yes Bill, the knurls aren't cheap. My tool was $200 but I consider it well worth the money. Mine will knurl up to 2.5" diameter, plenty for my needs.
 
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freebullet

Guest
Really appreciate the info, pics, & vids fellas. Thank you.:cool:
 

Gary

SE Kansas
well the G0765 is on my bench for cleaning and at the same time allow me to familiarize myself with the different parts and especially the nomenclature. This mini is the only Lathe I'll ever need.:D
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Need has nothing to do with it.

Need? When did "need" start being a factor in what we buy.

Need? Hah. How about WANT?

Need. That's funny.

If we only bought what we needed we wouldn't have 95% of the guns we own.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Need? Yeah, Brad's got it.

As I told a friend years ago in a gun shop, who owned several large gun safes full of guns, and said,
"I need that gun."......
I laughed and said, "No, we passed Need about 3 exit back, and are hip deep in Want. But Want is
a perfectly good reason to get a new gun. No need to make excuses."

Applies to lathes, too. Good to see that Ian has it figured already. I'm on my third lathe, and it may well
be my last one.

Freebullet - you are welcome, hope somebody else learned something, I know I did.

Bill