Marlin 1894CS Loads

I am in the process of finding out what cast loads this gun likes and will shoot with some degree of accuracy out to 50 yards . So far it has not been going great but it is early and I have the time.

I bought an inexpensive scope (a Leupold Knockoff from Ebay). This may or may not have been a mistake. The jury is out on the scope. Twins of it have worked well on my 9MM carbines: not sure on my .357 Carbine. I have purchased a new Bushnell Banner 1x - 4x scope made in South Korea to replace the Chinese made copy. It should arrive next week.

My rifle has 1 in 16 twist barrel with Ballard rifling. I have had mixed results to date off a bench. I am testing at 25 yards with the view of moving out to 50 yards once I find a load that consistently manages around an inch at 25 yards. I am not there yet but getting closer. I am not at all sure I can trust the scope so I won't add more comments regarding results.

Lets deal with the basics. I believe the 1 in 16 twist should stabilize both 150/158 gr bullet as well as a 170 gr. Correct?

Would the twist rate favour one over the other?

I have Bullseye, 231, Titegroup, 700X, H4227, HS6, 296, H110 and CFE Pistol available at the present time. Those in red are around a pound with little chance of replacement in the near term. I would think the faster powders would or should work reasonably well with the light bullets and the slower powders with the heavier bullets. I have the 358477, 358256, 358429 and 358430 cast bullet molds.

Generally what is the max. OAL for LSWC .357mag cartridges for these guns.

So given that information let's here some of your experiences.

For added info the serial number of the gun is MR76270B.The Barrel says it was made by Marlin Firearms in New York. It has Ballard rifling or at least non micro groove. Fit and finish on the gun is excellent frankly. Well as good as one gets on production guns these days. I have no reason to believe the gun should be anything less than a very good shooter.

Looking for help to speed narrowing down the experimental period of loading for this rifle. Winter id about a month off so I figure I have about 30days left before the weather turns cool/cold, wet and generally ugly.

Take Care

Bob
 

Ian

Notorious member
Bullseye, 231, Titegroup, 700X, CFE Pistol would be the only one from your list that I would consider. Data in just about any reloading manual. OAL maximum listed in the manuals should function depending on nose profile. SWCs and WFNs are usually finicky in revolver caliber leverguns, you'll need to make dummy rounds to cycle through the carbine and experiment with seating depth. 170 grains is fine in a 16 twist. Getting an accurate load is more a function of clean, flat bullet bases and consistent neck tension and crimp than anything else.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
Size will play a big part in accuracy as well. My 1894 shoots it’s best groups with bullets sized to .361”
Group size almost doubles when I use .359”
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Its 2011 Rem production .

The JM 1894C I had circa 2003 shot everything the 6" Sec 6 did . It shot the loads better further and 375-425 fps MV faster .

As for the twist .............then I noticed that 1-14" is faster not slower thank 1-16......
We shot 38s and 357s running 13-1500 fps MV 350 yd with the Lee 358-158 RNFP . I guess that means there's enough twist to hold on through transonic .

About 12-18" the hold over was the peak of the barrel band with the bead on that dinky 8" hexagonal steel plate .

I shot several bullets but in the end the Lee was the most satisfying .
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Mine also likes bullets sized at .360 , and I’m only loading a NOE 180 WFN DP with 10 grs of Blue Dot.
Thats a long time favorite loading.

I always like fat bullets. Fattest that firs the chamber. I can always go smaller. Harder to make larger.
 
Had a squib the other day. First in years. Benefit was I got a slug from ,y barrel. It measured .357" Rifling was well engraved on the entire 358156 bullet. The bullet was originally sized .358. I will try some unsized bullets in a few days/ I don't have any larger sizing dies at present.

Have a Cardio exam this morning then I will do some casting. Keep the info coming.

Take Care

Bob
 

Ian

Notorious member
Bore/groove size is meaningless. The dimensions you need to determine bullet size are all in the throat.
 
Here are the three dummy cartridges I will be using. From left to right:

358477 OAL 1.510
358156 OAL 1.590
358429 OAL 1.553
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Each cycle through the gun. OAL are from Lyman Manual Reloading Handbook 2nd Edition.
 
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