MP Brass .452 , 200 gr. HP

Ben

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I purchased this one for use in my Smith and Wesson
Model 625, 45 Auto Rim revolver. Should have it in
a few days.

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I'm very impressed with the accuracy of this revolver with a wide variety of loads. I'm looking forward to shooting the above 200 gr. cast HP bullets.

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Ben

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With my old clip on WW's, they weigh 201.4 grs. as they fall from the mould.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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I love brass molds. Some folks say they are heavy, I say they never rust and hold heat well.

The 200 grain bullet weight really is where the 45 ACP needs to be.
John Browning designed the 1911 around the 200 grain bullet weight and only bumped it up to 230 gr when the government requested the greater bullet weight. IMO, the 45 ACP really shines at 200 grains. Fast enough to have excellent ballistic performance and heavy enough to have the needed terminal energy without extra recoil forces.
After shooting 230 grain bullets for years, I was impressed with the performance of 200 grain bullets in that cartridge. My dedicated 45 ACP load uses 200 grain bullets and that's where it will stay.
 

Brad

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Brass is great in a 2 cav but man, a 4 cav brass is a monster after a while
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I have a NOE brass 453-200 thats identical. It drops a 200 HP.

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(Green are MP 403-160. Blue are the 45's)
Its a very good shooter for me. Need 30:1 to get good expansion @ 850 ish FPS.

CW
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I have a two cavity Lyman 452374 that I hollow pointed. The resulting bullet looks a lot like Ben's new mold's output and they weigh about 207grs. Didn't do it for expansion, I did it to have a lighter weight round nose bullet that would feed 100% in a 1911 and drop into the cylinder of my M625 x 5".
 

Tomme boy

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I have that mold. Mine cast a 215gr HP. Mine was one of the very first group buys years ago. You will like it. It has shot well in every 45 I have had. And a few friends I gave a bunch to.
 

fiver

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the 374 has been around a long, loooong time.
it basically mimics the jacketed bullet, only without the wrapper.
it'd be a lot more popular except Lyman [in their usual fashion] messed up the measurement in front of the lube groove during a couple of their renditions.
 

Wasalmonslayer

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This bullet feeds like water thru a sieve in any thing I have ever tried including 1911’s.

Accuracy is amazing too runs neck in neck with the hg68 in all my testing.

215 ish as a solid and 200 as a hp.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I just love the 40 to 45 handgun calibers. Bias advisement is now complete.

The 45 ACP and Auto Rim are about as perfect a service and counter-goblin handgun caliber as you can get. The 45 ACP/AR resembles the 357 Magnum in that any load run at standard pressures will be sufficient to resolve an exchange of finality irrespective of bullet weight.

The 45 ACP's bullet weights in commercial and handloaded ammunition have come with 3 ranges of bullet weight--185 grains, 200 grains, and 230 grains. The 185s come in mild target loads at ~800 FPS, while the old Winchester Silvertips run at 975-1000 FPS.

The 200 grain loads are mostly a handloading proposition, and the majority of those got sent at 900 FPS to make "Major Caliber" status within the old IPSC rubrics. In autopistols the 200 grain bullets at 900 FPS are subjectively more comfy to shoot than 230 grain hardball at 825 FPS, in the views of many. Speer once loaded a 200 grain 'Flying Ashtray' bullet at 900-925 FPS in their 'Lawman' line of carry ammo. I haven't seen any of that stuff locally in a long time.

The 230 grain bullets kind of rule the earth owing to the old GI Hardball being coin of the realm for 75 years. Text above correctly pointed out that John Browning designed the 45 ACP around a 200 grain bullet at 875-900 FPS, and the ,gov wanted a heavier bullet. The 230 grain bullet was the result. I speculate that the Ordnance Board wanted the 45 ACP to hew as close to the 45 Colt's terminal ballistics as possible after seeing the 45 Colt's stopping effectiveness against the berserker Moro tribesmen in the Philippine Islands during the Spanish-American War.

My carry ammo in my 45 ACP/AR is the WWB 230 grain HP. These clock at 860-875 FPS from my S&W M-625 x 4" (just like Ben's) and just under 900 FPS from my Series 80 Colt Gold Cup and SIG P-220. I have seen the good work done by these loads during my career when the now-relegated WWB loadings were first-line W-W carry loads sold as 'Ranger SXT' ammo. If I could find those 200 grain Lawman loads I would swap those in immediately, but they are unobtainium hereabouts.

My agency conducted a few misunderstandings with the old WWSTHP 185 grain bullets too. These were not found lacking.

My point--full snort 357 Magnum and 45 ACP loads work, and bullet weight selection doesn't matter a bit. Load up--go forth--and sin no more.