NOE push through sizers for nose

Eutectic

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I looked at these on the NOE site the other day. The ability to size the 'bore ride' section is a big deal for me as I have several molds so big in this dimension to be basically useless!
I ordered a .32 mold from them and included a couple of the 'nose bushings' to look at. It appears the OD is held concentric to the die body?? Most methods are questionable as to the body and the bore-ride being sized on the bullet's centerline with each other.....

I've wanted to test the RCBS 120gr .25 bullet for years! Maybe these are the ticket?

Any experience with your opinion of these would be appreciated! Thanks!

Pete
 

Ben

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I had Buckshot ( Rick Tunnel ) make me a nose sizing die that takes $14 Redding inserts.

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I have about 5 different dia. inserts. Works like a charm.

I have a .298", a .300 ", a .301", and a .302".

Ben
 
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Ben

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For me, ( according to my down range target performance ) it isn't a problem.

Ben
 

Richinsd

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I have been using NOE's push through tool with the base and nose sizing bushings for a couple of years now and have a fair collection of them for the 30, .22 and 284 sizes. The greatest advantage of this tool is being able to size cast bullet noses down in .001" increments. These allow one to load different cast bullets designs that could not otherwise be used because of too big of a nose. And then can be fitted to the bore exactly. One example is NOE 287-168-RF that I use in a 7x57 Venezuelan Mauser. As cast, the nose is too large for the bullet to chamber. After sizing the nose down .003", the bullet not only chambers but ten shots in an inch at 100 yds is not unusual.

However, one caveat is that the nose sizing bushings are not beveled at the entrance like the base bushing are. So consequently they do have a tendency to shave some lead off the sides of the nose depending on how far one is down sizing. My fix is to chuck them up in the lathe and very slightly bevel the entrance. Then when sizing, any excess lead is swaged in to the nose as the bushing is going down, making it perfectly round.

Another Thing that I have noticed about these NOE bushings, both nose and base, is that the sizes are dead nuts accurate in my experience. What is stamped on the dies is what you get. A welcome detail that is not often found in other similar tools these days.

In my opinion. a quality tool that fills a long need for me.

As far as the concentricity of base and nose bushings, pretty hard to tell but from my experience with them, it is not a factor.

R.
 
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358156 hp

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What the world really needs is an interchangable two bushing die for "in & out" sizers like Lyman and RCBS offer. You could size the nose and driving bands to your optimal dimensions without concern for nose to base alignment issues. It has to be used in one of the above sizers because they already have the necessary mechanism for pushing the bullets back out of the die. a matching nose punch would be a must, and this little issue could kill the whole project. But it would be a glorious thing...
 

Brad

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What the world really needs is an interchangable two bushing die for "in & out" sizers like Lyman and RCBS offer. You could size the nose and driving bands to your optimal dimensions without concern for nose to base alignment issues. It has to be used in one of the above sizers because they already have the necessary mechanism for pushing the bullets back out of the die. a matching nose punch would be a must, and this little issue could kill the whole project. But it would be a glorious thing...
It would be very possible but the cost will eat you alive.
 
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Eutectic

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What the world really needs is an interchangable two bushing die for "in & out" sizers like Lyman and RCBS offer. You could size the nose and driving bands to your optimal dimensions without concern for nose to base alignment issues

But it would be a glorious thing....
Sizing body and nose together in one operation holding everything concentric in the process would be..... "a glorious thing..."
The body and the nose running on two different centerlines or eccentric to each other doesn't matter until it does! The shaft on a high speed machine, say 10,000 RPM, would soon tear itself to pieces if two different fits on it were machined off center from each other... But it doesn't matter on a bullet turning 100,000 RPM or so???? Sorry guys.... it matters to me.

Pete
 

Brad

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It matters a bunch. Off balance bullets just can't be as accurate. Nose sizing could be a nightmare if the nose/body junction is thrown off kilter.
What would give me hope is Rich in SD reporting using the tool and getting 10 shot 1" groups at 100. Tells me the tool much be keeping his bullets concentric.
 

Ian

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There are two ways to get bullets to group: Make them perfect and take every precaution to keep them so when fired, or do all the final fitting with the gun. Semi-autos don't offer much choice in the matter.
 

Richinsd

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There is no substitute for bullet throat fit and consistent bench technique when trying to shoot that magical "one holer".
 
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Full.lead.taco

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One thing I like to do now, not shown in the pictures in the instructions linked above--is to use the die locking ring from the top. With some presses, if you use the lock ring on the bottom side of the press, you may have concentricity issues, whereas screwing in the die on the bottom side, but then screwing in the die locking ring from the top will be more concentric. Hopefully what I just typed makes sense.
 

Will

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I had Buckshot ( Rick Tunnel ) make me a nose sizing die that takes $14 Redding inserts.

afqH05M.jpg



I have about 5 different dia. inserts. Works like a charm.

I have a .298", a .300 ", a .301", and a .302".

Ben

Ben are you aware of anyone who makes this die now?

I’ve been reading on some high velocity PC threads and this seems to be one of the best ways to nose size.
 

Ben

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Will,

No , I don't know anyone that is making the dies.
On my last contact with Rick Tunnel ( Buckshot ), he said HP'ing cast bullet moulds and other things similar was a thing of the past for him now.

Ben
 
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