Reloading room

Discussion in 'Projects' started by Canuck Bob, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Todd M

    Todd M Active Member

    Just shows, we don’t need all the STUFF that society says we do. Thanks for that history, my goal is to live as simply as possible, seems like you are doing well in that respect. My inlaws are from CA, and have that big money mindset (albeit much much less than many from that state.) Helps me to stay small, and something to contrast our life against. No I’m not blasting the inlaws, just the facts.
     
  2. JSH

    JSH Active Member

    A clean bench is a sign of a sick mind.
    I try, I really do. But I swear there is a couple of other people using my bench!
    As to tossing stuff. When I bought the lathe from Bill, I cleaned and threw stuff away, even gave stuff away. I have to be in the correct mind set to do this. Place was clean tidy and orderly.

    Fast forward. Buddy had some powder ordered we were
    going to split up. Well guess what all of those empty jugs and bottles I tossed were needed. All I had was two one pound bottles.
    Ya never need it till you throw it out. But dang it gents, we can't save it all no matter ho hard we try.
    Jeff
     
  3. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    I grew up dirt poor and without. Both my parents had master's degrees and teacher certs, but back then were doing the "back to the earth" thing and trying to make a go at homesteading. Didn't even have electricity or a bathtub. The little bit of stuff we did have was pretty good, though. Instead of having a drawer full of Chinese folding knives, I had one Case pocket knife, and took good care of it. When I made my own way in this world my first purchase was a 16' bumper-pull travel trailer. With my old truck and that trailer, I could carry everything I owned with me and be out of town on 45 minutes notice. That was a good feeling, but eventually I figured out where I wanted to stay a while and put down roots. THEN it was time to begin acquiring all the things I'd dreamed of having since a child. Not big things, but little luxuries like a good set of Nicholson files. A Dremel tool. A drill press. Cordless drill. Circular saw. Welders. My own oxy-acetylene torch. An upright freezer. A gun safe. Hot, running water. All the little stuff I didn't have growing up. Now I'm in the midst of an accumulation glut, beginning to turn the corner to paring down to the nice stuff, replacing the junk with better stuff, and only keeping what I really need. When you're poor, you hoard everything and take anything people will give you for free, whether you need it or not because one day you might or might trade it for something else. Fortunately I've managed to build a better life for my family, but the instinct to hoard junk is still a tough one to overcome.

    One of my dreams since high school was a dedicated reloading room with a casting bench, ventilation system, and lots of shelves for my gun library. When I built our house in 2011, I finally earned my dream. I still have too much stuff in there (seven presses and three lube-sizers all set up with their own, independent workspaces, 6' computer and gunsmithing/cleaning counter, etc. etc.) but I can just walk in, sit down, and start cranking out ammo without wasting any time setting things up. I can cast bullets no matter the weather or time of day. All I have to do is stop buying stuff, because the room is at about 110% capacity for organization right now and needs a good cleanup.
     
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  4. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    Murphy's law of Stuff. Save it for 20 years and never need it, throw it out and need it the day after the trash runs.
     
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  5. freebullet

    freebullet Well-Known Member

    Throw out???

    I'm doing it wrong....:eek:

    Just keep finding/making more space to put the treasures.:oops:
     
  6. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    They tell me that "stuff" doesn't eat, but the time/money/energy needed to keep building storage space and adding on to storage space can get WAY out of hand. I have to look at it like "I'll just go buy it if I need it" and choose to hoard money instead of more stuff. Problem with that plan is if/when events happen when you can't just hop in the car and go buy something you need at will.
     
  7. creosote

    creosote New Member

    11 brothers and sisters equals dreams of having also. I modified the loading bench plans from the national reloading foundation but haven't put the three 3/4" sheets of oak plywood to use yet.(only 10 DSCF2892.JPG years ago) It has lots of shelf space with sliding doors. I had a very small bench and wanted a larger one to use all year round. This is bolted to the wall and floor with lost of bracing underneath makes it very strong, but doesn't do much good if you can't keep it clean. when I finish the shelving, I can bring lots more stuff inside. I also have plans to bolt a steel plate to the bottom. I use c clamps, but will someday mount them permanently
     
  8. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    I had two big realizations about work space through the years (many different temporary, makeshift set ups are good at sorting this out). One is that if my reloading benches are deeper than 18", the space behind is a wasted, difficult to access catch-all. The other is that having a single space rigged up with interchangeable hardware is not suitable for my personality, though it may be for yours. What I need is dedicated space for each task, otherwise tasks (and thus tools and such) end up layered on top of one another.

    Maximizing my bench efficiency and room space by making 18"-deep reloading spaces with 5.5" deep shelves on the back going up helps a lot with clutter on the benches and wasted space. Having a whole bunch of permanently-mounted presses crammed right next to each other with a bare minimum of working space between also keeps clutter down (there's no where to put any) and keeps my equipment ready to use.
     
  9. Canuck Bob

    Canuck Bob Member

    Great insights and advice. As a Mark II bench, Mark I was years ago, the store bought bench kit will be built as shipped. This way it will get done quickly. The bench top is sacrificial so trying placements is no issue as with a nice top. The bench will have an overhead fluorescent single tube, be attached to the wall, and a telescoping 5" magnifier lamp. Ian's note regarding bench size is interesting. This bench is 20X40 inches. I thought a width of 25-30" might be better, not now.

    The discussion of simplicity struck home. My purchase list was reviewed with an eye to needless clutter and unnecessary complication. The list was quickly chopped in half. As an example a case cleaning system is out. For now a bath in Lemi-shine and Dawn will do. Case prep machines and neck turning are out, Lee trimmers are in!

    I load for 6 cartridges and only shoot 22lr rimfire. For now that is plenty. I'm lucky to hit the barn at a 100 yards so worrying about things precision shooters worry about is folly.

    In light of this are primer pocket uniformers required with normal cases for plinking ammo basically? The darn things are pricey even for Lyman manual ones.

    I expected the call from the tool store that it was in, no luck. Hopefully it comes tomorrow!
     
  10. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    I consider primer pocket depth uniformers to be essential for certain things like some of the lower-quality flavors of military brass, and all flavors of .30-30 Winchester (high primers due to excessive pocket radius are a chronic problem for some calibers). This is a matter of safety and convenience of reloading more than precision shooting.
     
  11. Intheshop

    Intheshop Well-Known Member

    Spoiled rotten here....well,not really if you consider I built it all but still,pretty dang blessed.

    OK,reloading room.#1 White Oak flooring (hand nailed of course,try it sometime) is the only way to fly.Cabinets because I put a beautiful set of Cherry cabs in a customer's kitchen back in the late 80's?But the cabs I got are pretty special,if your into history of modern (post WWII) kitchen design.That house was mid 60's....and kitchen cabs were turning a corner industry wise.These are early Maple with that honey,medium brown tone.Imagine a nice college chem lab,1960.Needless to say they're pretty sweet.

    Told the story before of snagging a Kennedy machinist cab and chest.Bought sight unseen over the phone for beer money.Was going to put them in the shop but,they were SO early,they are noticeably smaller than tool boxes these days.So the decision was to utilize them in the loading room.

    So;

    Floor,check.

    Cabinets,check.

    Lights receptacles,check.

    Nice toolbox,check.

    Now,throw in some custom boxes (Gerstner wannabes') for moulds and bullets,built in house.There's a drillpress in there,but I think it's going to one of the boys.We have much nicer ones in the shop.Oh yeah,cpl nice freeby gubment swivel chairs.The hdwd floor makes easy rolling.Got framed prints of wildlife and vintage reloading stuff for the "Martha" effect (the boys call me Martha Stewart derogatorily).
     
  12. Pistolero

    Pistolero Well-Known Member

    Ian,

    I figured out the 18" rule in 1976, thank goodness, making my first real bench. I had used several 24 or deeper benches and you nailed it
    exaclty....excess depth is wasted, collects too much junk.

    I wasn't poor as a child, but four years of college and two more of grad school and then three years working and two off (planned) put the
    "keep anything you could possibly use or trade with" thing you were talking about into my head pretty solidly. Trying to get past it now. In college
    I was fortunate enough to have tuition, dorm and meal plan paid by my parents. Never asked for another cent. My mother told me decades
    later that they were surprised. My younger sister hit them up for extra money every couple of weeks. I worked jobs during school and summers
    to get stuff. Lived on $3200/year in grad school, plus a bit from mechanic work I did for people. Tight times. I remember pulling the rings
    off a junkyard VW engine to put in mine because a new cylinder and piston set was $80, and the used rings went for $10, got me two years
    down the road with a lot less oil burn than before. Just got to be a real cheapskate. Slowly, slowly getting past that.

    Cleaned out a huge number of used targets today. They had only been shot a little......and pasted, or could be pasted, ghhaaaaa! Thinned
    down to only unshot targets. Will buy more if I need them, only pasting targets during one range session, and only once per target. Throw them
    out when done.......hand shaking.....:eek:

    Got a lot of junk mixed brass that is only good for plinking, not for any real accuracy. Need to find someone else to pass a lot of it on to, once I
    get it sorted out.

    You are doing it way earlier than I figured it out.

    Bill
     
  13. Canuck Bob

    Canuck Bob Member

    That answers that. Thanks, I got crimped cases and IVI military 303 Brit and 223 to deal with.
     
  14. Ian

    Ian Well-Known Member

    The depth uniforming tool won't help you much with the crimp, but will sure help with positive primer seating and nothing sticking proud or having to be forced to the pop point to get the correct depth. Once you use a depth tool you'll wonder how you lived without one. If you use pistol primers for light .30-30 loads, you won't need the tool in that instance.
     
  15. Tony

    Tony Active Member

    Forster makes a DBT (deburring tool) base. Sinclair International makes great primer pocket uniformers and an adapter to use them with the DBT base.
     
  16. freebullet

    freebullet Well-Known Member

    Used piston rings....? Now that is determination! Impressive. ;)

     
  17. Pistolero

    Pistolero Well-Known Member

    My rings were broken, power and oil control was terrible. Unbroken used rings
    with hand sanded roughened cylinders so they would seat, restored a good bit of the power and
    the oil consumption dropped to pretty much normal. Poor folks have poor ways.
    I had time, I had no money. Damn glad that is in the rearview, and retirement
    is comfortable, no worries.

    Bill
     

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