Sometimes the old loads are best.

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I try to use data from the period the powder was made. Old loading manuals are on EBay dirt cheap. New made powders are fine for use with makers internet data.
 

KHornet

Well-Known Member
Good advice from Ric! If you don't have the old(older manuals), recommend
you start with minimum charges from modern data, and work up slowly.

Paul
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
I will typically look at three different books plus internet. Since the most modern cartridges I shoot, originated in the 1930s, Lyman and Ken Waters' Pet Loads are nearly always numbers 1 and 2.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
I just found Ken's book, "pet loads" on Amazon....$60:eek:
Do you guys think the book is worth the $$$?
 

Ian

Notorious member
I bought both volumes of Pet Loads off a forum classified, it's in such good condition that I don't even like touching it, but it does get used with very clean hands. Literally a lifetime of expert load information in there, with detailed discussion to boot, the thing that's usually missing from the loading manuals.
 

Chris

Well-Known Member
I just found Ken's book, "pet loads" on Amazon....$60:eek:
Do you guys think the book is worth the $$$?

Yes, I do. Buy it cheaper if you can, but you must own his books. I just bought "Ken Waters' Notebook" in keeping with the idea of owning his writing.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Sorry, knowledge costs money. What you get for free is worth every penny it costs. Go to Wolfe Publishing and buy the latest complete collection of all of the articles, it is well worth the money. (Checked on how much a college education costs these days?)
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Ummm, I'm just a year out from paying for a 4 years college education. Out of state.

I need to develop a better reference library. This may be the time to start.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
It is 60 bucks at Midway too.

I should order a copy.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
Some may scoff, but I also subscribe to Loaddata.com. $30/year. It has all the published data. It is NOT a load manual! If you do not have at least ONE load manual, get that first. But if you have a number of manuals (some old, some new), Loaddata is a nice resource, especially if you load a lot of old calibers and cast bullets like I do on a regular basis.
 

Ian

Notorious member
It is 60 bucks at Midway too.

I should order a copy.

$60 is chump change for being able to hold the experience of a lifetime of one of the greatest handloaders of all time in your hands. I didn't realize it was still available new, my copy is very old and IIRC I paid twice that for it from an individual plus shipping. Still a bargain.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
Wolfe Publishing should still have it available on DVD along with every issue of Hand loader and Rifle, Propellant Profiles etc.
 

Canuck Bob

Active Member
The Water's reference material is a must have for me. I'm considering Ackley material as well. I am setup to use the Water's method of pressure analysis with case expansion.

Powder wise my stock is newer manufacture after restock from the last supply tightness. All powder is the same lot or jugs. I like manuals that post pressure or CUP data. I agree with Ric's advice. I'm a reloading granny anyway. Cautious and interested in mid-range levels of performance is my style. Camp rifle duties are stout jacketed like Partitions or older Dominion/CIL KlingKor SP bullets.

Internet data is always suspect.
 
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