Your opinion please.

S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
Position B would be my choice, as said it could be shortened later if desired.
 

Ben

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I sat down and gave a good bit of thought to this issue.
I was tempted to send Erik the mould and have him make a new HP pin.

I then asked myself what I'd do with this " long Lyman pin " ?
Based on my own experiences , it was useless.
So........., I decided to use my Dremel and cut off wheel and shorten the pin.

Tell me what you think.

Ben

Here is the original pin :

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Here is the finished product after shortening the pin :
( After testing this one, if need be, I can always shorten it a bit more if needed.)

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If the nose blows off, I've still got about 75% of the bullet left to penetrate.

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S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
That will work Ben. Now go treat yourself to a lb of powder and lunch with the savings.
 

Pistolero

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Looks pretty good. Rounding the bottom more to a spherical end may
make blow-off less likely.

How is the pin retained into the knob and bayonet lock assembly? If it is removable,
such as with a setscrew, I can make you a different shape, if you would like. Postage
would be fine.

Bill
 

Ben

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Bill ,

The pin has another pin driven through if from the factory.
It is pretty much a permanent installation.
I'm afraid to tamper with it.

Thanks for your offer.
Ben
 

Ben

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I've had this 3 cavity NOE , 360318 for about 3 years.
A fine casting mould and it shoots great.

Ben

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Ben

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Here is a 3 shot group at 50 yards fired with bullets from the above 3 cav. mould.
The rifle was a Ruger # 1
35 Whelen Ack Imp. , 17.5 grs. 2400
NOE 360318, 250 gr. RN ( SOLIDS ) , G/C, sized .3595"
6 power Redfield Scope.

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Rally Hess

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I'd still cut it back more Ben, so about 2/3 of the remaining pin was gone, and then file it to a point. It would give you a nice dimple point. I've shot a bunch of beaver carcass and road killed deer testing HP's and dimple points. When the noses blow off HP's the bullet tracks in unforeseen directions because they don't fragment evenly. The frontal shape of the remaining bullet, guides the bullets path. If the bottom blows off it tracks up or opposite direction the fragment goes due to the hydraulic effect of tissue. Also consider the physical density of the hide, muscle, lung as it enters. I'm picturing a broadside shot with a through and through. The bullet hits hair first, hide next, muscle next, lung or intestines, then the opposite leaving. If you watched Full Lead Taco's video it shows a pretty good example of the bullets path and direction of the bullet path after fragmentation. My tests show pretty dramatic difference in deformation from muscle, hide and internal organs, or the effect they have on bullets.
 

Rick

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I would have liked to see an original old mold stay original but it is what it is now.

Bill is absolutely correct, round off the end of that pin. You don't want a square bottom hollow point cavity. Guaranteed to shear off the nose without any mushroom at all.
 

Ben

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Cast a few Ben, like to see them,

We should have some daytime high 70's during the coming week.
If so, I'll be outside casting with this one ! !
I think this is fairly close to what I'm looking for on this mould.
This should take the explosive character out of this particular mould.

Ben
 

35 Whelen

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I think that will be much better than the square cut you had on the first one. When I was an armourer we had an entire lot of Beretta 92's and the guide rails were failing.....they were cracking because they were cut at 90 degrees....as soon as they realized the mistake they went to a radius cut guide rail...and there were no more failures. I think that rounded point will act the same as a radius cut and be less prone to shearing off..
 

Ben

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Thanks for all your help.
As I've said, I think I'm fairly close to my goal on this one.

Ben