Remingtons 360 Buckhammer

Tom said:

...the ar15, ugly as it is should do better than 1moa...

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Everything has to have at least one redeeming quality, I guess.

The Armalite GI standard is good to go under 3 MOA with the fly weight extra skinny A2 profile and 19 pressure points on a 16" barrel .

Once free floated there is only a touch point on the gas tube , B nut , and bolt lugs . In theory the gas tube is a negligible touch as long as it is floating in the action end and dead solid in the gas block .....so say more than one source that work exclusively or almost in the platform .

Barrel quality and weight are huge factors in them . In my experience , limited at best , best results come when gas block to receiver are kept over 3 bullet dia to just under minor thread dia over 1.5 cal dia from the .750 gas block out . That gives about a .850 out to the .750 step and .700 to the muzzle in a heavy to bull barrel .
In an A2 6.8 1-10 6 right 16" , from the barrel extension extreme to the muzzle face , peaked out at 2" and 2050 fps . The same loads in the 20" heavy 5R 1-11 , honest bolt face to muzzle face gained 110 fps and dropped groups to 1.5" . It had a paired bolt also . Comparing the barrels are about like a 1919 production 1911 and a Les Bear long slide high luster . There's about 80 points of difference but it doesn't seem like 2050 to 2165 and cut a half inch off groups should happen .

The point is probably lost in there which was intended to be that Armalite design has about 15 points of tuning that a bolt gun doesn't and lever knowledge helps but only as applied academics .
Any consistent loads under 2" without considerable diddling about and top quality tuned barrels is good delivery of services .

interior of the case has a slight taper to keep the bullet from dropping to the bottom when reloading.
So 30/30 cases probably won't work! My original concern.

popper said:

interior of the case has a slight taper to keep the bullet from dropping to the bottom when reloading.
So 30/30 cases probably won't work! My original concern.

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Ha. Remember many of those writing these descriptions are not nearly as knowledgeable as we are... the case is likely "tapered" to add mass to web. I mean have you ever read a claim it was tapered inside to retain bullets??

CW

claim it was tapered inside to retain bullets Uh, what I posted was from the article. Heck it could have a step on the inside like some pistol brass. Or the case could have a slight 'neck' that is parallel. Depends on manuf or reloading die. Until cartridge dia. are available, we don't know.

38 Wad cutter brass had a crimp knurl in the case back in the day...

For all of us here you will be able to use 3030 brass. Just don't run it at max psi. I really like shooting my 350L with a 200gr bullet with 16grs of 2400. It runs at a little over 1600fps.

Save the factory brass for jacketed.

Tomme boy said:

For all of us here you will be able to use 3030 brass. Just don't run it at max psi. I really like shooting my 350L with a 200gr bullet with 16grs of 2400. It runs at a little over 1600fps.

Save the factory brass for jacketed.

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Personally, I'd never use jacketed anyway, so no sweat. 30/30 brass will undoubtedly be less expensive and (going WAY out on a limb here*) probably still be around after they shoot this one in the foot with their next, latest, greatest whatever.

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i think the 50-K is their goal.
in the original form the speed and pressure was reduced.
plenty enough for hundred yard shots, but not quite the numbers they are touting and hyping.

Another gimmick to sell rifles!
I think a 30-30 or a 35 Remington is a hammer enough for buck! Now if the Buck are so equipped with a Bullet proof vest I can see where they are going with this!
I have heard tell that White tails in the NE are now ordering from Amazon before rifle season!
Non Armor Piercing vests and such! and they get delivered by Amazon drones...Apple has gone too far with iPhones and their apps...They are messing up our hunting season!

That's why we have the 45-60-550 .
You don't have to poke a hole in it if you can turn it into a sack of marbles and jelly .

I'm glad I didn't read that far. Tapered case to keep the bullet from telescoping, huh? I guess bullet cannelures, powder columns, and neck tension have been failing us ever since BT Henry? Geez how does the .444 Marlin ever work? Or 35 Remington?

Sounds like an excuse for thicker case walls for the pumped-up pressure to me. Bye-bye hopes of loading heavier bullets unless you use .30-30 brass.

And I will stick with our 414 Supermag 336. A .412 280 FN chugging along at 1800 fps will always produce a fine meal.

Has anyone seen any rifles on the shelves chambered for this yet?

I don't think they're scheduled for release for a little while maybe spring time are such.

they are supposed to be unveiling the whole shebang at the SHOT show and then start trickling stuff out over the summer.
i'm pretty sure there ain't no way they are gonna miss the sept-oct time frame.

A friend of mine is @ Shot Show this week.

Does anyone know what the pressure limitations of the Mossberg 464 is? Could this potentially be a chambering in those?

Well, just did a little looking and it seems Mossberg has discontinued the 464, haven't kept up on current events I guess.