10-22 binary trigger
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Ian
Notorious member
It'll be fine until the ATF makes some random and completely arbitrary determination that they constitute a new machine gun (which cannot be added to the registry due to it being closed in 1986) or are otherwise not legal to own anymore.
I did have an AR trigger that would do that every time on accident, it was NOT as fun as it sounds and I quickly took out the hammer and trigger and cut them to pieces with a torch.
I did have an AR trigger that would do that every time on accident, it was NOT as fun as it sounds and I quickly took out the hammer and trigger and cut them to pieces with a torch.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
The down-side of go-fast conventional weapon systems is that things break--A LOT. Basically, such war toys are only affordable by governments and drug cartels--keeping full-auto or select-fire systems functional takes depth of inventory, in both arms and in spare parts. Even with improved metallurgy given to critical parts, wear & tear on these systems increases by several orders of magnitude over semi-autos.
Best mertaphor--consider the NASCAR competition car vs. its mainstream look-alike sold to Mr. & Mrs. USA & Canada. NASCAR--engine & drivetrain can run almost 3X the legal/street speed of our commersh sedans & coupes, but that capability lasts for the duration of the race (400-600 miles) and not a while lot longer. Given reasonable care, the commersh sedan drivetrains stay whole for at least 100K miles.
It took close to 10 years to convince my old shop's shot-callers to GROK this reality.
Best mertaphor--consider the NASCAR competition car vs. its mainstream look-alike sold to Mr. & Mrs. USA & Canada. NASCAR--engine & drivetrain can run almost 3X the legal/street speed of our commersh sedans & coupes, but that capability lasts for the duration of the race (400-600 miles) and not a while lot longer. Given reasonable care, the commersh sedan drivetrains stay whole for at least 100K miles.
It took close to 10 years to convince my old shop's shot-callers to GROK this reality.
fiver
Well-Known Member
i remember a deal that made 2 10-22's into a miniature ma deuce looking rig.
the trigger assembly was actually a rod that turned a crank that had offset pins that tripped the triggers.
one then the other 1 turn per.
but you could turn the handle pretty quickly because of the gear setup and smoke out some half cent ammo pretty quickly.
the trigger assembly was actually a rod that turned a crank that had offset pins that tripped the triggers.
one then the other 1 turn per.
but you could turn the handle pretty quickly because of the gear setup and smoke out some half cent ammo pretty quickly.
fiver
Well-Known Member
heck i dunno Allen.
technology has improved things quite a bit.
F-1 cars go 200 mph pretty easily, and they run their engines through 3 practices, a qualification and a race.
5 times in a row.
because they get penalized if they change an engine or gearbox any sooner.
Nascar doesn't blow stuff up like they used to either.
i'm sure many of them run a fresh engine each race but it isn't just tossed in the dump afterwards,
it gets refreshed and put in another chassis for another race.
after a season or so it gets reworked and sent down the line as a leased engine to another team.
technology has improved things quite a bit.
F-1 cars go 200 mph pretty easily, and they run their engines through 3 practices, a qualification and a race.
5 times in a row.
because they get penalized if they change an engine or gearbox any sooner.
Nascar doesn't blow stuff up like they used to either.
i'm sure many of them run a fresh engine each race but it isn't just tossed in the dump afterwards,
it gets refreshed and put in another chassis for another race.
after a season or so it gets reworked and sent down the line as a leased engine to another team.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Having dealt with pre-WW2 submachine guns quite a bit, the old school 9MM and 45 ACP designs were very reliable up to about 1945. As long as you didn't fire full 20 round magazine bursts, they were very reliable for thousands of rounds. The post WW2 designs were made to be light and have a high rate of fire. They required exact spec ammo, perfect magazines and complex maintenance every time you shot them. IMHO
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
That was my experiences with the Colt SMG, M-4, and M-16A2 models my shop bought. We didn't carry them at my shop, but the H&K MP5 & MP5K carried by another shop I got assigned to held up a bit better than the Colt SMGs did, but I didn't like the laborious regimen required to refill them if you ran them dry. Getting a fresh mag to seat easily with the bolt closed was an unholy puppy mother as well. The MP5 has a "Cool Factor" like few others, though. I think that is its best selling point.
L Ross
Well-Known Member
I just spent almost exactly that on a Black Friday 20% off sale with free shipping from Trigger Tech. Of course me being me, the trigger is a precision two stage Model 700 clone for my Bergara B-14 .22. I won't be able to shoot up my ammo any faster that the factory trigger, but I hope to attain my off hand goal of 4 MOA all the time. I know, I know, boooring.
I see this binary whatchamacallit as another example of what we were talking about in P&P's thread about Populations, guns, and economies. At this rate I'm never going to get cases lots of .22's for $200 ever again. I'm certainly not a Fudd, but I wish the spray and pray crowd would just stay in Mommy's basement and play with themselves and their damned X-Boxes.
Oooh, fetal rant! I need more coffee and a biscuit.
I see this binary whatchamacallit as another example of what we were talking about in P&P's thread about Populations, guns, and economies. At this rate I'm never going to get cases lots of .22's for $200 ever again. I'm certainly not a Fudd, but I wish the spray and pray crowd would just stay in Mommy's basement and play with themselves and their damned X-Boxes.
Oooh, fetal rant! I need more coffee and a biscuit.
Rick H
Well-Known Member
They are cool but for my money.......well my department has/had two 1944 era Thompson's and they own the "Cool Factor", I know heavy, fire from an open bolt, all that nonsense but there is something very very cool about the bark of a Thompson. (especially if you don't have to pay for the ammo). We had the Thompson's, some S&W (Carl Gustav clones) 9mm's SMGs and our swat team got MP-5's. Even though they are a lot of fun to play with I just can't wrap my mind around full auto fire in LE work. Suppressive fire with automatic weapons seems a bit much. I can lay down a base of fire with a semi auto if called for. I'm only half surprised some frustrated administrative grunt wanna-be hasn't ordered up a bunch of surplus M-79 grenade launchers.
Snakeoil
Well-Known Member
I just have to say that I don't get it. All devices like this do it get semi-autos put on another hate/ban list. There is no need for this trigger other than to put lump in some clown's pants as he plays Army with his .22. Yeah, full-auto fire, is fun. I've never shot full auto, would love to, but I don't see it as a regular pastime. It's like dancing the hokey-pokey at weddings. Once is probably enough. And if I never do it, I'll not go to my grave with it on my regrets list.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Not a true full auto but as close as I'll ever likely get was an AR with a bump stock . Yeah it's a rush to do a full rip and a lot more fun on someone else's dime . Outside of the fun quotient and tactical uses JQ Public doesn't generally need today it's not too useful . I get tired just unloading a full mag in an AR .
What's that phrase ? A tool for a job lacking soul ......
What's that phrase ? A tool for a job lacking soul ......
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
My shop had two Thompsons--in each in 45 ACP and 38 Super. They dated from Prohibition days, and anti-alcohol was a huge thing in my county even before the Federal prohibition took effect. Riverside County came into being in 1893, seceding from San Bernardino County in order to become a dry county. San Bernardino's notoriety as a pesthole is not a recent development, by any means.
Ahem. The Thompson's were fun, though a PITA to pull down and clean. I am not certain what is gained for policing through use of bullet hoses, but better to have and not need than the other way around. Cops already miss with 91% of their rounds fired--I don't want to think what go-fast systems would do to that already-dismal hit rate.
Ahem. The Thompson's were fun, though a PITA to pull down and clean. I am not certain what is gained for policing through use of bullet hoses, but better to have and not need than the other way around. Cops already miss with 91% of their rounds fired--I don't want to think what go-fast systems would do to that already-dismal hit rate.
Tomme boy
Well-Known Member
A guy here got a visit from batf for one of these. They did not care he had them installed till he mounted them on a servo driven mount and had a cordless drill motor running the trigger mechanism from a airplane model RC control. It was two of the 10-22 rifles.