10 mm For under 3bills ????

[Mitty38]

Hi-Point® Firearms: 10mm Handguns

Hi-Point® Firearms: 10mm Handguns

www.hi-pointfirearms.com

High points new pistol.
The extra weight of the Great Ohio "brick gun", considering the recoil management desired for 10mm. Might just make this offering worth getting the credit card out. Plus 10 mm with a fixed barrel over 5 inches has to be somewhat accurate.
And it's optic ready too??? with the ability to take a Glock front sight. So buy buy crappy sights.
I have a c9 and a Maverick but they sit now, basically because the weight is excessive for 9mm.
But I am thinking the weight might just be a positive advantage for 10mm.
Might be my foot in the door for that caliber.
$219 to get in on the first run pre orders.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

That's a lot of money for a boat anchor.

 

[Mitty38]

All a maner of perspective.
Ye If I wanted a carry or race gun, I would not consider this. Just because of the weight. And it was designed as a bedside gun not as a carry.
The two guns I have made by Strassel's Machine, have been nothing but reliable. With very little care given.
Just I have upgraded to Glock for 9mm. After I got a little more cash.
Lighter and better sight options.

But as a chest rig hunter or a plinker. It is tempting. Especialy since they have widened the sight options now. I could fit a cheap red dot on it. Then have a blast.

I wore the spring out on my Maverick after about 5000 rounds.Although they no longer sell those and even go by a different name. They honored the lifetime warranty and totally refurbished it after 22 years of abuse. And sent me an extra magazine.
Only cost me the money to ship it to them.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Use that money to buy primers, powder, loaded ammo, a voluntary unnecessary root canal or something else that’s a better value.

 

[Joshua]

It’s the trigger that would be the deal breaker for me. These are fixed barrel guns that actually have the potential to be quite accurate. The triggers are the weak point.
Yes, they are ugly. Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are reliable. My 45 goes bang bang every time I pull on that yucky trigger. I don’t hate Hi-points, I just don’t think i would buy another one of their handguns. Now a carbine in 45 to match the pistol that I was given is definitely a gun I might pick up in the future.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

There’s a reason that for over 120 years pistol manufacturers have used locked breach designs when higher powered cartridges are involved. You can get away with a simple blowback design when using a 22LR, 32 ACP, 380 auto, etc. But when you step up to larger cartridges, the simple blowback system becomes unwieldy. In a simple blowback design, the mass of the slide and the strength of the recoil spring provide the only resistance to keep the action closed.

Sure, you can just add mass to the slide, but the gun gets comically bulky and heavy. You could chamber a simple blowback pistol in .50 AE if the slide was heavy enough, but why would you want to?

By using a simple blowback system and all around cheap materials, Hi-Point has found a way to make a semi-auto pistol very cheaply. Those compromises are not free, and they didn’t “crack the code” or “discover” some secret to making a cheap pistol. They just made an incredibly cheap pistol.

Just because something is inexpensive doesn’t mean it is a good value.

For the OP, it sounds as if you are seeking affirmation to buy that pistol. You will not get that affirmation from me. It looks like someone dangled a $220 shiny trinket in front of you and you happen to have $220 burning a hole in your pocket. I don’t think you’ll be happy with that purchase.

If you really want a pistol chambered in 10mm (and not just a cheap gun because one is available) set that money aside and add to that fund until you can buy a decent quality pistol.

 

[JonB]

I Like Hi Points.
I have a 40 cal Hi Point pistol, it's Kinda heavy. I wouldn't carry it, but I like shooting it.
Minnesota started enforcing it's Saturday Night Special Law (State Law) several years ago, so FFL Dealers in MN can no longer sell Hi Points
...same with the Ruger Wrangler

 

[Missionary]

And on the rifle side...... Winchester Model 1910. 10 pounds of mass to tame the .401 with a 250 grain at 1850 fps blow back operated.

 

[Mitty38]

My main consideration is that I have yet to find a 10 mm I can comfortably shoot.
Out side of the $2000 Dan Wesson Brune. I shot a couple years ago.
I know the High points are clunky, But also reliable.
Thinking that weight added to make the blow back design, may just make a 10 mm Shootable for me, without losing the feeling iny hand for two hours afterword.

Whether I decide to buy or not we will see. Just thought the offer was some food for thought.
Right now too many other things going together.

If I did get one I would probably just sell the js Maverick and-or the High Point C9.
Now if I sold Maverick and C9 there would be no investment in it. And some money left over.
As both guns at worth more now, then the purchase price I paid for them back in the day. I would just be replacing 2 guns I outgrew with a new toy.

But then again My JS Maverick is kinda like an Illegitimate red headed love child.
Not proud of it. It's kinda dumb and ugly. But I love it anyway.
Tom Deeb, original designer of the High Point ( may be rest in peace), was a friend of mine, as In fellow I have had coffee with occasionally. Made that JS personally. I shared his passion that every single mother and law abiding poor person should be enabled to defend thereself, and their family.
I purchased that Maverick off him face to face When he still made the steel framed guns one at a time, with his partner. When they sold them directly at Ohio gun shows. So this my love for High Point. And that ugly JS.
And that companies ability to thrive grow, and Innovative against all odds.

 

[Jeff H]

I have never handled or shot a Hipoint, let alone owned one. I'm typically all about "cheap guns," particularly Charter Arms revolvers. Say what you will, it just keeps the prices down so I can afford one once in a while.

When I did my CCW class, we went to one of the deputy's homes, where he had a nice range set up and he ran everyone through numerous drills. The guy is seasoned, I've known him passingly for some years and he has had an excellent reputation among his peers as well as detractors.

Someone brought a Hipoint 45 ACP to the class. The guy wasn't outright ridiculed, but it was obvious he was seen as not being all that bright for having brought "THAT thing." The deputy spotted it and was all over the guy, so I moved closer, having this "affliction" regarding underdogs and "unfair" fights.

When I got close enough to hear, the deputy wasn't disparaging the gun, he was praising it. He'd had several of them come through the course and apparently they all went through trouble-free. The guys showing up with $2k and $3k 1911s seemed to have the most trouble keeping their guns running (no fault of the 1911), and t he guys with "plastic" guns had trouble hitting targets (no fault of the "plastic" guns), but the Hipoints just chugged along.

Big, heavy, UGLY, but they put big holes in meaningful places on the torso targets reliably.

I gathered that the guy who brought "THAT thing" has a bunch of other "real" guns, but brought the Hipoint on a lark - thought "what the heck..."

For what it is and what it does, I wish the company well in its endeavors. They are arming classes of people who cannot afford much of what is out there, especially these days, when a "decent" DA revolver is touching the bottom end of a $1k sales receipt. There's "better" stuff out there, no doubt, but the Hipoint absolutely does serve a population and a purpose.

I'm not arguing for or against any position stated in this thread, and not to "preach."

 

[Jeff H]

...It is tempting. Especialy since they have widened the sight options now. I could fit a cheap red dot on it. Then have a blast....

Expensive for a "boat anchor" - no argument there, but pretty cheap fun if you can hand-load cast for it.

I think all the negative points made by those whom you've asked are 100% valid, but the positive points seem equally valid. It seems you are aware of both aspects already and only need to decide if a couple-hundred bucks-plus is a good value for the fun you intend to have with it.

For ME, a couple-hundred bucks fifteen years ago (before I started teaching), was nothing. Today, a couple-hundred buck is, as @Petrol & Powder says, a lot of primers and powder, etc. Actually, I've been eyeing brass on Starline and trying to figure out how to split $200 between three cartridges or decide which TWO I should invest in at the moment.

The fun-per-dollar value for ME, isn't there on this one, but it IS for a lot of people I know and if they can afford to have one for fun's sake, I say "go for it." Also, if ALL they can afford is one of these, I also say "go for it."

Definitely a per-person, personal decision.

I remember buying a 9mm, Kel-Tec P-something-'r-other, under very similar circumstances, for $200, when I was working a "real job." Many disparaged the gun, but I wanted to know and $200 was nothing. I knew people who blew that much on lunch, lottery tickets and energy drinks in a week. I got the thing and ended up CARRYING it. It was an amazing little gun with the most awfullest trigger I'd ever experienced,... except maybe the CZ 100, which was also (at the time) a cheap, but amazing little gun, with an abominable trigger.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

I just went on a web-based firearm sales site and entered the following search criteria:

Semi-auto pistol, 10mm, Buy now option (actual prices, not an auction bid)
The return was dozens of semi-auto pistols chambered in 10mm that had listed prices under $600.
These included, but were not limited to, Glocks, S&W, Springfield Armory and RIA. Some were new and some were used.
So, buyers are not without options. And there is a difference between Cheap and Inexpensive.

 

[Mitty38]

I have never handled or shot a Hipoint, let alone owned one. I'm typically all about "cheap guns," particularly Charter Arms revolvers. Say what you will, it just keeps the prices down so I can afford one once in a while.

When I did my CCW class, we went to one of the deputy's homes, where he had a nice range set up and he ran everyone through numerous drills. The guy is seasoned, I've known him passingly for some years and he has had an excellent reputation among his peers as well as detractors.

Someone brought a Hipoint 45 ACP to the class. The guy wasn't outright ridiculed, but it was obvious he was seen as not being all that bright for having brought "THAT thing." The deputy spotted it and was all over the guy, so I moved closer, having this "affliction" regarding underdogs and "unfair" fights.

When I got close enough to hear, the deputy wasn't disparaging the gun, he was praising it. He'd had several of them come through the course and apparently they all went through trouble-free. The guys showing up with $2k and $3k 1911s seemed to have the most trouble keeping their guns running (no fault of the 1911), and t he guys with "plastic" guns had trouble hitting targets (no fault of the "plastic" guns), but the Hipoints just chugged along.

Big, heavy, UGLY, but they put big holes in meaningful places on the torso targets reliably.

I gathered that the guy who brought "THAT thing" has a bunch of other "real" guns, but brought the Hipoint on a lark - thought "what the heck..."

For what it is and what it does, I wish the company well in its endeavors. They are arming classes of people who cannot afford much of what is out there, especially these days, when a "decent" DA revolver is touching the bottom end of a $1k sales receipt. There's "better" stuff out there, no doubt, but the Hipoint absolutely does serve a population and a purpose.

I'm not arguing for or against any position stated in this thread, and not to "preach."

Well we are Ohioans, so we often see things a bit differently then others.

When growing up it, with my family. I was pretty much of you had a child one of the first questions ask was, "did you get a gun for him-her put back yet, so they can have his-her own when ready to shoot-hunt?"

Once saw a skit where a Canadian fellow was amazed that American had more guns then people.
The reply to his concern was. Well we do have Ohio, West Virginia and Texas.The Canadian replied, " Oh ye that explains it.

 

[JustJim]

When the Hi-Points first came out, I thought about picking one up as a "loaner". I know a number of people who've picked them up as loaners, as spares/car/cabin/tackle-box guns. Aside from lousy ergonomics, I've heard no compliants. The one I know best has stood up to ten years of practice, at the rate of a box of 9BPLE/month. I'm still on the fence about them, but one of these days I'll probably give one a try.

But in 10mm. . . I dunno. After cracking frames on a Delta Elite and a Glock, I'm not sure I'd want to try one in a blow-back. If you get it, please do post progress reports.

 

[Mainiac]

My main consideration is that I have yet to find a 10 mm I can comfortably shoot.
Out side of the $2000 Dan Wesson Brune. I shot a couple years ago.
I know the High points are clunky, But also reliable.
Thinking that weight added to make the blow back design, may just make a 10 mm Shootable for me, without losing the feeling iny hand for two hours afterword.

Whether I decide to buy or not we will see. Just thought the offer was some food for thought.
Right now too many other things going together.

If I did get one I would probably just sell the js Maverick and-or the High Point C9.
Now if I sold Maverick and C9 there would be no investment in it. And some money left over.
As both guns at worth more now, then the purchase price I paid for them back in the day. I would just be replacing 2 guns I outgrew with a new toy.

But then again My JS Maverick is kinda like an Illegitimate red headed love child.
Not proud of it. It's kinda dumb and ugly. But I love it anyway.
Tom Deeb, original designer of the High Point ( may be rest in peace), was a friend of mine, as In fellow I have had coffee with occasionally. Made that JS personally. I shared his passion that every single mother and law abiding poor person should be enabled to defend thereself, and their family.
I purchased that Maverick off him face to face When he still made the steel framed guns one at a time, with his partner. When they sold them directly at Ohio gun shows. So this my love for High Point. And that ugly JS.
And that companies ability to thrive grow, and Innovative against all odds.

I bought a magnum research 1911,in 10mm.my first bull barrell,,and it really tames the 10!!my gun is very manageable, even wide open.try one,with bull barrell.

 

[waco]

Rock Island makes an affordable 1911 in 10mm.

 

[CZ93X62]

No experience here with any Hi-Point products. I own Glocks and an 1895 Nagant revolver, so the "Ugly" and "Contraption" categories are fulfilled in my gun safe. I do note that many of the nay-sayer comments concerning the Hi-Point pistols were also applied to Glocks when they landed c. 1985 in the U.S. of A.

Just sayin'.

 

[BBerguson]

Rock Island makes an affordable 1911 in 10mm.

Yes they do, I own one, the single stack model. They also make one double stack, at least t they did. If your hands are large enough to get on the thing, it was heavy enough to tame the 10mm. Mine is quite comfortable to shoot. It throws brass a country mile so I have to carefully pick where I’m shooting but otherwise I have no issues against it.

I have exactly zero experience with a Hi Point other than watching some videos so I won’t offer any input on them.

 

[Jeff H]

......When growing up it, with my family. I was pretty much of you had a child one of the first questions ask was, "did you get a gun for him-her put back yet, so they can have his-her own when ready to shoot-hunt?"...

Let's be honest, brother.

That "rule," hallowed, valid and necessary as it is, is more often used as an excuse to "put back" stuff for the one "putting back."

But, yeah, that's the theme. Every other months - "oh, man! I gotta get one of those for Billy!" Billy being all of two months old.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

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