10 mm For under 3bills ????

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
When the Hipoints first came out. We didnt like or want them. We didnt sell them in the shops I worked.

Some years later someone came in with one ta sell. We didnt want it but he was persistent. One of my guys traded a box of shells for the pistol. It was a 9mm one of the first guns. We use it on the ranges. I must admit, they gun never hickuped. We couldnt make it bauble. We ran everything thru it probably a hundred different people who knows how many bullets and it shot just fine and was quite accurate. Will I buy one, no probably not but I can respect that it works and isnt that what we hold highest when choosing a personal Defense firearm?

CW
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
@CWLONGSHOT , I felt the same way about the Kel-Tec, but the guy selling it was persistent as well. I finally bit.

I had a gallon-sized ziplock ba,g at least half-full of mixed brand, vintage, configuration 9mm from various estate auctions, which the auctioneer didn't want to handle. I didn't shoot the "nine" and didn't know what to do with it. The Kel-Tec was my first and only (still) nine and I shot that bag up all at once. I never had a failure through that mixed bag, and I loaded mags as I grabbed them from the bag. Both hands were sore for three days, from the awful trigger and loading the magazines.

In a discussion with one more refined than myself, I think I should stop calling my inexpensive guns "cheap" guns. I do it in a jokingly, self-deprecating way which is unfair to to the GOOD guns and the honest people on this forum reading my comments. That Kel-Tec was inexpensive, but obviously a well-designed gun. I eventually sold it back to the guy who sold it to me. He asked about it every time I saw him and I could tell he missed it.
 

obssd1958

Well-Known Member
I've shot the Hi-Point pistols, in both 9mm and 45 ACP. And I own and shoot others in those same calibers to compare them to. The Hi-Points work, but are not as nice to shoot as the other handguns in the same chamberings. I also own and shoot an EAA Witness in 10mm. Bought it new a long time ago, when it was first available, and love shooting it. Bought a barrel in .40 S&W so I could shoot cheap (relatively speaking) factory ammo in it.
Other than the Hi-Point carbines, which are way more fun than they should be, I would prefer to own something else.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
............ I eventually sold it back to the guy who sold it to me. He asked about it every time I saw him and I could tell he missed it.
Speaking of selling guns back to people (minor thread drift here, hang on) I purchased a S&W 681 from a friend that offered it for $200. It had a minor flaw which he disclosed and I knew I could repair. I fixed the gun and it shot PERFECTLY. It was one of the best shooting revolvers I ever had.
I don't know why he sold the gun, maybe he needed the cash at that time. But he later asked about that gun and I knew he regreted selling it. I sold it back to him for a little more than I paid for it. (just enough to cover the repair and what felt like interest on a loan).
He got the gun back better than it was and we didn't damage our friendship.
 

Rushcreek

Well-Known Member
I’ve had a C9 Hi-point for a couple of years and it hasn’t jammed yet, even with the short Lee 105 swc. If it wasn’t for the squishy trigger it would be easy to hit with with those big sights.
Back in the day, I’d keep a $40 Raven .25 auto around because the silly little things were great for winning bets- they shot good.
The Hi-point pistols remind me of the Ravens in design and style and the disgust that some folks show for them.
No matter to me but that C9 is in my nightstand with 147jhps in it.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I think there is still a 38-40 in a Ruger BlackHawk it was once sold as a convertible in 38-40 , 40 or 10mm . I guess if the Colts knock offs will support 357 mag one in 38-40 could be fitted with a 40 cylinder.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
yep they done a 38-40 and 40 short conversion.
i let my dad talk me out of mine since he had the consecutive serial number to mine.

pretty sure he has sold them by now, and i'll never see them again, but i got the stuff if i ever do.
still have the ground down shell holder too.
 

Reloader762

Active Member
Ten years ago, before Hi Point came out with their 10 MM line, Iraqveteran8888 had his gunsmith friend rechamber a Hi Point 40 S & W to 10 MM and it ran great. I've seen what I call a couple of YT gun snobs test out the new 10 MM handgun and although it doesn't have the greatest trigger and is clunky, they were pretty impressed with it.

I've owned a C9 in the past and recall giving $125 for it new with two mags and it was a shooter and ran all my cast lead reloads great the entire time I owned it. I currently own the Hi Point carbine in 45 ACP and have nothing but praise for it and it always a hit and a gun everyone wants to shoot at our shooting get together and have seen more people turn up with one at later events. I really don't need another caliber to reload for with the current state of primers in my area, but If I did, I would probably look at the carbine in 10 MM that makes more sense to me than the handgun.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
@CWLONGSHOT , I felt the same way about the Kel-Tec, but the guy selling it was persistent as well. I finally bit.

I had a gallon-sized ziplock ba,g at least half-full of mixed brand, vintage, configuration 9mm from various estate auctions, which the auctioneer didn't want to handle. I didn't shoot the "nine" and didn't know what to do with it. The Kel-Tec was my first and only (still) nine and I shot that bag up all at once. I never had a failure through that mixed bag, and I loaded mags as I grabbed them from the bag. Both hands were sore for three days, from the awful trigger and loading the magazines.

In a discussion with one more refined than myself, I think I should stop calling my inexpensive guns "cheap" guns. I do it in a jokingly, self-deprecating way which is unfair to to the GOOD guns and the honest people on this forum reading my comments. That Kel-Tec was inexpensive, but obviously a well-designed gun. I eventually sold it back to the guy who sold it to me. He asked about it every time I saw him and I could tell he missed it.
We were never allowed to carry a long gun on the job, just an Ithaca 37 12 ga. But when we had serious problems many people somehow had a long gun hidden away. Those little Keltec folding carbines were very popular and I never heard a single bad thing said about them.

Keltec, Hi Point and a few other brands qualify as yesteryears Iver Johnson/H+R/Rossi. Affordable, not so highly finished guns for the working man. Not a thing wrong with that!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Have you guys ever shot a low miles untouched SKS or M 14 Rem ? There's 7 feet of gravel washboard road leading up to the break that was only a surprise because it feels like it should have about 6 times already .
We have accepted the 8# DA semi auto trigger as the grip/trigger blade safety standard in dozens of side arms that start at $400 for a bones fall in the mud model . The trigger is horrible in a $300 10mm .......

The 1918 1917 try as I might I can't feel the set before the break and the 47' M10 only offers a hint that it's there . Until I shot those I thought the Sec 6 had a pretty decent trigger .

Of course I only draw the line at an AMC Pacer or Gremlin for how ugly a car I'd drive .....the last Studebaker P'up was ugly too . Some day like the Gremlin and Stud P'up the HPs will be so ugly they're cute .
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Hey – don’t disparage the Gremlin. Bullet proof in-line AMC six cylinder in front of an equally tough 3 speed gearbox. And the largest fuel tank in its class! Yes, it was 2/3 of an AMC Hornet but it was the early 70’s, everything was a bit weird. ;)

Jokes aside, we haven’t “accepted” anything across the board. Each person decides what they are willing to pay for and what they are willing to accept in return. There are guns I will buy and there are guns I simply refuse to buy. Just because someone offers it for sale doesn’t mean I MUST buy it.
 

obssd1958

Well-Known Member
I had a '74 Gremlin. It had Midnight Blue flip-flop paint on it when I bought it, and came from the factory with a 304ci V8 and floor shifted 3 speed manual. I upgraded the carb to a 500cfm Holley, put L60-15's on the back along with shackles high enough so the tires would clear, a set of good 'ol Hooker Headers and Purple Hornies (never understood the name, but it was a 4" glass pack that bolted directly to the header, and had a turned down tip to blow the exhaust towards the ground). It was loud, and kinda fast, and different than anything else that cruised Main Street!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
"We" was intended as a blanket consumer base , not an individual us .

Maybe I should have used that wanna be retro GMC hard top convertible P'up thing .........I don't like the lines of the XKE jag either but the XJ had a certain grace about it .

I wonder what you could get out of a modern 1.285 rimmed or rimless 40/10 .......in this case it would be kind of a "super mag" I guess . I need to have a machine shop ...... And about 5 million drawing interest someplace as an allowance account.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Had a friend who had a 1979? Pacer wagon. Very nice car and comfortable to ride in, IF you got the air conditioning option. His didn't and was unusable from May thru September with four acres of glass in it. His was a made in WI model and used the 258 I-6 with 3 speed and OD. All the ones made in Mexico had air conditioning.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I'd chicken out before I got close .
I did some "creative" exploration in super heavyweight 45 Colts.Quick Load guessed at 20kpsi as a max with H322 under a 1.680 OAL 350 gr bullet . 1280 fps in a 16" barrel was the start load ....... The other three 5 round steps were 600 ,625 and 650 out of the 7.5 RBH , the fire ball was pretty impressive also .

I'm almost 100% sure that a 38-40 175 could go would go 15-1600 no problem.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
My mom had a Pacer. Great car except for mileage and the power steering just not working at various times. It quit on me one day taking a left curve on a slushy back road. Flew it onto a big flat boulder. No visible damage, but it was a total loss. There it sat on 4 wheels, but the unibody/frame was toast. She got a little Dodge Omni (IIRC) 5 speed 4 banger after that. What great car!!!