30 Super Carry

L Ross

Well-Known Member
When I hired on those HIgh Standard 2 shot 22 mag derringers were popular with some of the guys. They were LOUD and none of them could hit anything with them at more than about 5'. They had just awful triggers. At night they would blind everyone in the room with the muzzle flash.

None of them ever actually had to use one. I guess they served the intended purpose, making them feel better. I carried an OMC Backup in 380 for a while for the same purpose. It was actually smaller in overall dimensions and only weighed a bit more than the derringer. I never needed mine either. Carried a boot knife too, at least I used that to cut folks out of seatbelts and such.

I own a 22 mag rifle, only because of some arcane rules for night time coyote hunting in my state. I think the 22 mag is an answer searching for a problem to solve.
With only anecdotal evidence to back me up, I think the .22 mag does have its uses and further more I think it is noticeably more powerful than a .22 lr. It is also quite expensive but a couple of bricks should last a guy a lifetime of dispatching critters.

I have been known to run after a bunch of coons prowling my sweet corn patch, in the dark, barking like a hound. All three ran up a tall but skinny Elm tree. I had a Ruger Stainless Single Six convertible on my belt with the mag cylinder in it. I had a mini mag flashlight. I aint good enough with a handgun to hold a flashlight in one hand and shoot those coons between the eyes with the other. Body shooting a raccoon with a .22 lr. loaded handgun is likely to have a pissed off raccoon falling out of a tree and causing mayhem around your ankles. I had some kind of 40 grain hollow points in the mag and holding toward the front third of each coon I started with the bottom one and dropped all three with three shots. None of them did more than kick a little on the ground. My ears rang a little but not painfully.

Next mag adventure was with a 9422M and these new fangled plastic tipped 30 grain Hornady bullets. A running, notoriously tough to kill critter, went ass over tea kettle at the shot at about 40 yards. Lastly a couple of green bean munching wood chucks got that same gun and ammo combo and they simple collapsed at the shot at that 35 to 50 yard range, much like they do with the .222 when shot in the chest.

A good buddy was just telling me that another two of his friends come over to shoot at his private range and plink with .22 mags. I don't understand that but, different strokes. I have odds and ends of 50 round boxes that I save for the Ruger and after I saw how accurate and effective the Hornady ammo was, I bought a brick for the Winchester. That 9422M is so accurate I reluctantly put a Redfield 1x4 scope on it, dialed it in for exactly 50 yards and it shares yard guard duty with a S&W MP 15-22 with a red dot, a short barrel Remington 11-87 with 3" mag steel T shot or triple B's, and the 788 in .222. Oh, there's also that odd ball Remington 510 smooth bore with bird shot for the chippies in Sue's flower beds. Gosh, my property sounds like a rough place, but it's really quite peaceful if the rules are followed.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Then you run into the same "no ammo" problem as the 22LR. I'm seriously bothered by the ammo situation as far as rimfire stuff goes. Nothing we can do about it, unless we want to start bribing people at the various outlets that get ammo. I'm told locally the people at Wally World are making a good deal of side $$$ doing just that, which also irks me to no end.

Someone famous, Saint Elmer maybe, once said the 22 Mag in a handgun was about equal to a 22LR from a rifle. That always made a heck of a lot of plain old common sense to me.
Not me, I am also a 22 magnum NUT JOB! I have "plenty" as I bought bunches back when it was offered.

I have "ahem" a "few" 22 mags ta keep feed. ;)

But I know pickins is mighty thin!!

Yuppers 100%. If you feel confident "dispatching" something with a 22 LR to the head... Your 22 mag carries same or more at 100yards!!! FACT!!

CW
 
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L Ross

Well-Known Member
Always heard how great the Bear Cat was. I’d see one a a show and occasionally at the used counter, but always walked by never even picked one up as I could not understand the need/use let alone the desire. Looked small, I mean small, plus have to push out each cartridge one —- at —- a —— time. Why. I love the double action 22 Smith’s the load and unload reasonable. But after that it’s going to be a semi-auto.
I was doing a trade a couple of years ago with 5 guns, took up a entire 4x8 sheet of plywood on sawhorses. Stuff being offered would come out and and pretty soon the blankets had guns stacked at each end and it was fun but when the ammo was tossed in for a firearm to enhance the trade here and there, it was a busy piece of plywood.
One of the items Dave had for trade was a Bear Cat new unfired in the box. Ok now’s the time to get one and not have to peel off the green out of the gun fund. Well the deal was made, it was new, opened the box, looked like Dave’s sales pitch was accurate, so went into the pile without picking it up out of the box. Going to finely figure out what all the glitzy was about a Bear Cat. The next weekend I shot one cylinder out of that tiny thing and back in the box with a for sale sign. Kinda figured it was like collecting fur babies of the gun world. Not much point.
Might have to look at a Ruger Wrangler as there bigger, I don’t know, one at a time. I don’t like loading magazines but…..
Hard to find a better trap line gun than a Bear Cat. It is so light and unobtrusive its only problem is if you lost it you wouldn't even notice 'til you got home. Hollow point some .22 shorts with a Paco tool and turn the lights off in a leg held trapped critter.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Hard to find a better trap line gun than a Bear Cat. It is so light and unobtrusive its only problem is if you lost it you wouldn't even notice 'til you got home. Hollow point some .22 shorts with a Paco tool and turn the lights off in a leg held trapped critter.

Yeah I’ll go with a Smith 63 or CA pathfinder I think it’s called. The Bear Cat just to small and I don’t have big hands.

Lynn said:
Gosh, my property sounds like a rough place, but it's really quite peaceful if the rules are followed.

Now that’s funny, got to love your way with words.
All my occasional marauders are usually between 300 and 1500 pounds, so I just build the fences higher and tighter.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
Yeah I’ll go with a Smith 63 or CA pathfinder I think it’s called. The Bear Cat just to small and I don’t have big hands.

Lynn said:
Gosh, my property sounds like a rough place, but it's really quite peaceful if the rules are followed.

Now that’s funny, got to love your way with words.
All my occasional marauders are usually between 300 and 1500 pounds, so I just build the fences higher and tighter.
I wish I could remember exactly where I read it but.....Maybe in some old Outdoor Life or such. There was a family in BC that had a gov't contract to feed Trumpeter Swans and they homesteaded. And when 300 to 1500 lb, nuisance animals became obstreperous, he shot them. There was more freedom years ago.

I'll bet if I search the world wide web I can figure it out.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah if I shot nuisance animals this ADFG would be on me me like stink on a stick.
If the critter is causing some kind of damage- destruction that’s a different story.
Years ago I had to kill a black bear, long story, but the long and the short of it was I didn’t have a license. Anyway Chris Hardy one of the local area enforcement officers, really nice guy, couple years later was a customer at my store. I was surprised Fish & Game had even heard I had shot a bear.
But anyway I didn’t have a hunting license as it cost I think $12. I didn’t have $12.
But I satisfied Chris that the bear needed to be put down. I had the meat and the hide taken care of and all was in the spring house before Chris came knocking.
As it turns out a nuisance critter can be taken care of without a license. But you have to surrender the entire body.
I needed the meat. Chris cited me and gave me a court date if I wanted to dispute the citation. He also informed me that I could get a $0.25 poor man license.
Anyway kept the meat, beat the rap, and learned a lesson.
The court hearing in front of Magistrate Mary Miller was quite entertaining and a good story. Had the Magistrate wacking the gavel laughing with her head on the desk.


Edit: I guess it’s called a “The Bench”
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
Some time back when I got the brand new Chrony and I was checking all of the available pistol to rifle PCCs out I did 22 LR and was kind of surprised when it delivered the same MV in a 6" revolver as the Win 190 and 290 rifles . 1240 fps .

The answer to the sub 35/9mm ACP class is that old addage of speed kills .
It does neutralize a threat with a number 2 point leaks but broken ribs can sure make it hard breathe and that'll stop threat pretty quick too .
Another place where it's not how we do it , it the way we do it fits .
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
When I hired on those HIgh Standard 2 shot 22 mag derringers were popular with some of the guys. They were LOUD and none of them could hit anything with them at more than about 5'. They had just awful triggers. At night they would blind everyone in the room with the muzzle flash.

None of them ever actually had to use one. I guess they served the intended purpose, making them feel better. I carried an OMC Backup in 380 for a while for the same purpose. It was actually smaller in overall dimensions and only weighed a bit more than the derringer. I never needed mine either. Carried a boot knife too, at least I used that to cut folks out of seatbelts and such.

I own a 22 mag rifle, only because of some arcane rules for night time coyote hunting in my state. I think the 22 mag is an answer searching for a problem to solve.
I met one guy that said a BG had him down on his back one night and was trying to punch and choke him to death. His 357 got twisted under him but he got to the NAA 22Mag in his pocket. He said, "I screwed the barrel into his ear and cocked it. That was the end of that."

I had/have a nice boot knife. One of those Cold Steel ninja Katana jobs. Holds a great edge. I cut up a lot of deer with that knife. I'm quite thankful I never had to use it for anything more serious.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Hard to find a better trap line gun than a Bear Cat. It is so light and unobtrusive its only problem is if you lost it you wouldn't even notice 'til you got home. Hollow point some .22 shorts with a Paco tool and turn the lights off in a leg held trapped critter.
Smith Kit Gun and 22 HP Shorts works great on coyote and beaver.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Okay, now you did it. Some of us will have to hear this one. :rofl:
I'm a sucker for "wacky" magistrate stories.

You asked for it.

So I stop this college kid (they were our prime prey when it wasn't tourist season) for speeding or something. He's going to one of the universities up north and coming up from NYC. He's also suspended for failure to answer some other tickets elsewhere in NYS. Not at all unusual since these precious little snowflakes can't be bothered with doing stuff like answering tickets. So, at that time, you had to arraign a defendant who was suspended for failure to answer if at all possible. Makes sense, right? If he didn't answer the first tickets, why would he answer the new ones?! So I explain what we have to do, secure his vehicle, pat him down and put him in the Troop car. I radio in to see if the local judge is available. Yup, he is, says to meet him at his house. Again, not unusual. I let the kid know we've got a bit of drive to get to the judge. Well, Mr Precious Snowflake starts whining and carrying on about how unfair this all is and how he's being picked on and how he's "disenfranchised" and whatnot. I assume he figured a hick Trooper out in the sticks wouldn't know what "disenfranchised" even meant. Well, I may not have graduated from Harvard, but I can read and I actually knew the meanings. So, being something of a smart aleck, I asked him how he'd managed to lose the right to vote? Now he really gets pissed off and says he meant he was disenfranchised because he was black and sitting, (uncuffed mind you since I'm the easy going type), in a Troop car! I could see where this was going, so I took a different tack. The judge we were going to see had just had surgery. He had wicked bad sinus problems for years. They finally packed his sinuses with fat off his hip. They did this by shaving his head, cutting from the top of one ear, across his scalp to the other ear and pulling his face down so they could drill into the sinus. At least thats the basic idea that he'd relayed to me. So he pretty much looked like Frankenstein with 2 black eyes, a stubble of hair and this bright read scar running over the top of his head. It was really impressive if you enjoy being stared at in horror. So I tell Mr Precious Snowflake, "Look guy, the judge you are going to see just had brain surgery. He's a little...well... off...you know, touchy...like not really crazy or anything, but...touchy, so don't push him, please!!!" The kid looks at me like I'm full of caca. We pull into the judges yard and around to the back of the house, (no one in the sticks uses the front door!), and there's the judge, with a McCulloch ProMac 700 chainsaw in hand by his wood pile, with those black eyes and that red, red scar with the stitches still in it practically glowing in the sunshine!!! Mr Snowflakes eyes about bug out of his head and I swear he shrunk about 6" into the seat. We got out and the judge tells Mr snowflake to sit on a log. He sits like his like depends on it! I lay out the issue to the judge and he sits down on a block of wood and starts writing in his log book. Snowflake is sweating bullets! The judge says something along the lines of, "Look here young feller, I don't know why you didn't answer these other tickets, but I don't think any too much of the type of person that would avoid his responsibilities like that! Now, do I need to put you in jail, or are you going to post some bail and straighten this mess out?" I'm pretty sure that by this time Snowflake would have sold his soul to get the heck out of there. He wants to post bail in the worst way. So he and the judge came to an agreement and some cash changed hands. The judge told him that if he didn't take care of both cases post haste, the Troopers would come on campus and arrest him right there and transport him back to his court where the gates of hell would open and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse would shudder in horror at the punishment awaiting him!!! Or, words to that effect anyway. Young Mr Precious Snowflake assured the judge in a most sincere and respectful tone that he would take care of everything ASAP, or maybe even sooner! We got back in the car and Snowflake looked like he was about to either crap his pants or cry. I took him back to his car and made sure it started. I asked him if he understood how to take care of the tickets and that he had to be sure to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty on the back. He asked, rather respectfully compared to his earlier attitude, what would happen if he pled not guilty? "Why, you come back here and have a trial in front of the judge you just met." His exact words are not fit for a family type forum, but if you know what the "Lets" in "Lets Go Brandon" means, he said that word and "...that!!! I'm NEVER coming back here again!!!!!"

The judge said he had the ticket back, certified mail even, the follwing week with a guilty plea! Another satisfied customer!
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
Yeah if I shot nuisance animals this ADFG would be on me me like stink on a stick.
If the critter is causing some kind of damage- destruction that’s a different story.
Years ago I had to kill a black bear, long story, but the long and the short of it was I didn’t have a license. Anyway Chris Hardy one of the local area enforcement officers, really nice guy, couple years later was a customer at my store. I was surprised Fish & Game had even heard I had shot a bear.
But anyway I didn’t have a hunting license as it cost I think $12. I didn’t have $12.
But I satisfied Chris that the bear needed to be put down. I had the meat and the hide taken care of and all was in the spring house before Chris came knocking.
As it turns out a nuisance critter can be taken care of without a license. But you have to surrender the entire body.
I needed the meat. Chris cited me and gave me a court date if I wanted to dispute the citation. He also informed me that I could get a $0.25 poor man license.
Anyway kept the meat, beat the rap, and learned a lesson.
The court hearing in front of Magistrate Mary Miller was quite entertaining and a good story. Had the Magistrate wacking the gavel laughing with her head on the desk.


Edit: I guess it’s called a “The Bench”
Silence is golden!


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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
we already have it, 7.62x25 Tokorov (.312" bullet).
The 7.62 x 25 is actually a bit more powerful than the 30 Super Carry. The 30 Luger/7.65 x 21 is about even-up with the 30 SC, now that you mention it. 122 years old, too. There truly is nothing new under the sun. The 30 SC has a mild advantage of being a straight-wall pistol case amenable to tungsten-carbide (no-lube) size dies, and no tiny little neck to mess with to secure bullets with.