CZ93X62
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Oh, good--I have a couple sets of the Lee tools. Thank you, Michael.
I share CW L/S's view that the 32/20 WCF does better work with the 115-120 grain bullets; IME the 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Magnum seem to prefer the 90-100 grainers, esp. the RCBS #32-98-SWC. So far, the 327 seems to like just about everything--85 grain JHPs through 120 grain flatnoses.
I haven't gotten a #311008 for one simple reason--its lack of a dedicated crimp groove. For revolver apps, ain't no thang--just wrap a roll crimp around the bullet ogive, and things stay in place. But my 32/20 usage includes the levergun, and unless "008" is seated on a 100%-density powder column of The Holy Black (or RL-7 as the late John Kort pioneered for 1873 Winchester rifles in 44/40 WCF with #427098), bullets will "telescope" back inside the case as they work their way ka-chunking down the magazine tube. Life Is Better with a levergun when a crimp groove is part of the program. My current 32/20 rifle is a Marlin 1894CCL, with the stronger action of those variants. #311316 has done the heavy lifting here, its GC enabling 1800-1850 FPS with decent accuracy to 150 yards--jackrabbit- and ground squirrel-capable to that distance using open irons.
I did scrounge up some #311008s a few years back for an experiment using my guns with the derived loadings of RL-7 in Starline brass, probably WW metal and lit off by Rem #6-1/2 primers. 12.5 grains gave "secure footing" in the Starline brass, and produced 1275-1300 FPS. Pressure signs were absent, just like those seen using 6.0 grains of SR-4756 in handguns. Just a couple zombie powder granules were present after firing in the rifle; they were more numerous in the 4-3/4" and 5" bores of my revolvers. Experiment was declared "Successful", with one caveat--BP pressure levels, safe for wheelguns and 1873 rifles. Those unburned powder granules got under the D/A wheelguns' extractor stars with some frequency, which is no real issue in a sports gun (just a PITA). In a sidearm used to keep you upright and breathing.......such conditions could get you killed, because the cylinder won't close after a reload. My old Colt Bisley SA was not bothered a bit by the grit. FYI.
#311008, #403043, and #427098 were all meant to sit upon compressed columns of black powder, and have a roll crimp wrapped around their ogives. This is per John Kort's research. Hence their lack of crimp grooves.
I share CW L/S's view that the 32/20 WCF does better work with the 115-120 grain bullets; IME the 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Magnum seem to prefer the 90-100 grainers, esp. the RCBS #32-98-SWC. So far, the 327 seems to like just about everything--85 grain JHPs through 120 grain flatnoses.
I haven't gotten a #311008 for one simple reason--its lack of a dedicated crimp groove. For revolver apps, ain't no thang--just wrap a roll crimp around the bullet ogive, and things stay in place. But my 32/20 usage includes the levergun, and unless "008" is seated on a 100%-density powder column of The Holy Black (or RL-7 as the late John Kort pioneered for 1873 Winchester rifles in 44/40 WCF with #427098), bullets will "telescope" back inside the case as they work their way ka-chunking down the magazine tube. Life Is Better with a levergun when a crimp groove is part of the program. My current 32/20 rifle is a Marlin 1894CCL, with the stronger action of those variants. #311316 has done the heavy lifting here, its GC enabling 1800-1850 FPS with decent accuracy to 150 yards--jackrabbit- and ground squirrel-capable to that distance using open irons.
I did scrounge up some #311008s a few years back for an experiment using my guns with the derived loadings of RL-7 in Starline brass, probably WW metal and lit off by Rem #6-1/2 primers. 12.5 grains gave "secure footing" in the Starline brass, and produced 1275-1300 FPS. Pressure signs were absent, just like those seen using 6.0 grains of SR-4756 in handguns. Just a couple zombie powder granules were present after firing in the rifle; they were more numerous in the 4-3/4" and 5" bores of my revolvers. Experiment was declared "Successful", with one caveat--BP pressure levels, safe for wheelguns and 1873 rifles. Those unburned powder granules got under the D/A wheelguns' extractor stars with some frequency, which is no real issue in a sports gun (just a PITA). In a sidearm used to keep you upright and breathing.......such conditions could get you killed, because the cylinder won't close after a reload. My old Colt Bisley SA was not bothered a bit by the grit. FYI.
#311008, #403043, and #427098 were all meant to sit upon compressed columns of black powder, and have a roll crimp wrapped around their ogives. This is per John Kort's research. Hence their lack of crimp grooves.
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