35 Caliber mold on the way

Jeff H

NW Ohio
My Lee C358-200 has a gas check shank. Your Lee in the picture is plain based. I wasn't aware Lee made that bullet in PB.
CW has an idle twist drill in a drawer which needs to be exercised now and then.;)

To be fair, maybe he had NOE remove the GC rebate on a cavity or two, but I suspect he might have done it himself.

EDIT: While admiring CW's bullet pics, I did not see the legend below indicating which one was which, until I scrolled through again. The one without the GC is indeed the LEE, so I'm betting he removed that GC shank himself. I've done this and will do it again if I ever buy another 35 cal mould. If I buy another 35 cal mould, it would likely be the LEE and I'd remove four or five of the GC rebates, of maybe all of them. Being able to remove them so easily is a great "feature" of 35 and 30 cal (aluminum) moulds. I've not tried it on others, but might if I find the ideal reamer.
 
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BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Did a little shooting with this bullet yesterday. I had loads with 7 and 8 gr of Herco and they averaged .7 inches at 50 yards. Also had loads with 7 and 8 gr of Unique and they averaged 1.0 inches at 50 yards. I was a little surprised that the Herco shot better than the Unique but this was 3 3 shot groups of each load and very obvious. I’m going to try 2400 and 4227 next and see what happens. I’m going to start around 12-13 grs and hold it against the primer with some poly fill and I’ll see how well it ignites and burns. Pretty sure I can go quite a bit more than that but I don’t have any data for this bullet. Starting low…
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
308 data for the 350 Legend? How about 35 Rem data?

I loaded just 9 350L with 14gr of the 4227. Also 9 308, 190gr, with 21gr of 4227 which was an actual starting load. Should be able to shoot them tomorrow evening or Saturday.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
i thought the 358 win was mentioned, if so/not i was waaay off and i apologize.

i'd use lightened 357 maximum data for the 350, it's just a rimless version with throat issues.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
i thought the 358 win was mentioned, if so/not i was waaay off and i apologize.

i'd use lightened 357 maximum data for the 350, it's just a rimless version with throat issues.
100%. 357 Maxi is slightly less cap and lower pressured. Its data has been like a starting load in my legends.
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Ok, I loaded same bullet with 4227 with 3 powder weights:

powder charge Avg velocity extreme spread standard deviation 50 yd Group sizes 100 yd Group sizes
14gr_____________1367_________122_____________44__________.88, .94, 1.07______ (no 100 yd group)
16.5gr___________1557__________87_____________30__________.78, .65__________________1.56
19gr_____________1762__________23______________9__________1.18, .96_________________ 2.41

These are all with small pistol primers and there was zero sign of excess pressure on the primer. They all looked the same.
I used poly fill in every case to hold the powder against the primer.
Zero hang fires or weak shots.
No unburnt powder in the barrel on any powder charge. Barrel looked very clean.
Zero leading. Pure (kind of funny to say that) wheel weight bullets. I sized and installed gas checks, powder coated twice, sized again to .358.

Not sure what to make of the larger groups with the 19gr loads. The numbers are so consistent but maybe bullet is a little soft to be pushing it that fast?

I’m going to load some more of the 16.5 loads and going to use some more poly fill and see if that will bring the SD number down. If that works, I may try to bump the powder charge down .5 and up .5 to see that will tighten up the groups. Also intend to change scopes, this is an ultra cheap 3-9. I don’t think the scope is affecting the group sizes but it’s not the clearest and I want more magnification for myself.

The first question that I was testing with these loads was; Will a small pistol primer reliable ignite 4227? It did, much better than I expected. My tests with 4227 and 44 magnum left lots of unburnt powder in the barrel so I wasn’t expecting this to work. I intend to load some more 44 mag but will add poly fill this time to see if that corrects the problem. Of course, this could also be a bullet size (too small) issue which I will also be testing. Second question is of course, “will it group”. It’s not bad but I think it will do better, at least the Herco did. I guess now I need to try the Herco again and chrony it this time. fun fun fun… :)

For the record, the above “table” looks great when creating/editing the posts… Had to add the underlines to space it out.
 
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Ian

Notorious member
All SD/ES numbers mean is how's the powder burning and are your reloading practices and brass/bullets consistent. The rest is barrel harmonics. Look at the group shapes, that should tell you something about how the barrel is whipping, provided you have enough shots per group to tell any trends. You might shoot the last two again tomorrow and they flip/flop because you're well under the statistical minimum for determining true group size average. Also, now that you have a good baseline established, you can work in 1.0 grain increments or less from the 19, I'd work backwards a bit first.
 
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BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
Yeah, now that I know the powder will ignite reliably, I’m going try to dial it in. The 50 yard groups are combinations of nice clover leafs, vertical and horizontal stringing but I wasn’t worried about it because I’ve been just trying to find a powder the bullet likes. The 100 yard groups were really interesting though. The 16.5gr group was horizontal 1.56” and vertical about .5” and this had worse numbers. The 19gr group was vertical 2.41 and horizontal about 1”. Both 4 shot groups (that was all I had left) one group for each load.

My brass is all deprimed and sized. I need to prime it all and then I’ll do some more testing.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The statisticians say you need 7 minimum shots, I like to use 5 or 10. 4 won't tell you much except that the system is working okay or not.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
those consistent numbers are showing the powder is getting into it's burn zone.[pressure]
if you up it, watch the speed, if it flattens off you've hit a 'high pressure' zone.

you could try water dropping the bullets for the high load and see if it brings things around, and then try a more balanced alloy.
once you hit the speed and the accuracy with a modified alloy your there.
if the alloy don't help then step back a grain with it and see what happens, if it gets better then move your oal back and see again.
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
The statisticians say you need 7 minimum shots, I like to use 5 or 10. 4 won't tell you much except that the system is working okay or not.
I don’t care what the statisticians say, if it don’t group in three shots, it ain’t going to group in five either. I’m not doing this for competition and I’m not testing a bunch of different bullets. I’m trying to find a powder that will work in one gun with one bullet and small count groups will tell me if I’m on the right track. My test batches are usually nine or 12 rounds giving me three or four groups. If I get three or four consistent groups, I know I’m doing something right and then I can load a bunch up to, wait for it… Plink with my centerfires. :) And maybe take a larger caliber deer hunting.
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
those consistent numbers are showing the powder is getting into it's burn zone.[pressure]
if you up it, watch the speed, if it flattens off you've hit a 'high pressure' zone.

you could try water dropping the bullets for the high load and see if it brings things around, and then try a more balanced alloy.
once you hit the speed and the accuracy with a modified alloy your there.
if the alloy don't help then step back a grain with it and see what happens, if it gets better then move your oal back and see again.
I’m getting close to melting a new batch of lead and have been thinking I should mix up a batch just for rifles. I have lots of pure(er) lead in the form of old pipe and roof flashing. I may try water dropping too, I use to do that but got away from it for some reason.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I loaded a bunch of work ups once and it was incredibly irritating . I'd shoot 5 and get 2-3 all but touching and 2 over there somewhere . Sometimes close together and sometimes far apart . In a fit of frustration I emptied the rest of the lot of GI brass donor ammo . 80 odd rounds one afternoon focused on control of what you can at the bench .

I ended up with 4 groups of 3" and a handful of fliers .

Sometimes it has nothing to do with bullets , charge , seating , or primers ....... sometimes it's all about the brass and it's QC .
 

rj-35-40

New Member
RB;

I must have missed it, what cartridge are you shooting, ?, distance?
Some of the posts are 'rifle' and some pistol.
Do you weigh your bullets..?
I used to weigh all my bullets in a batch and would separate out the light ones.
Those I would use for sighters

I found that the light ones would have a void, usually off center.
These were 515 gr 459 Postel style.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
RB;

I must have missed it, what cartridge are you shooting, ?, distance?
Some of the posts are 'rifle' and some pistol.
Do you weigh your bullets..?
I used to weigh all my bullets in a batch and would separate out the light ones.
Those I would use for sighters

I found that the light ones would have a void, usually off center.
These were 515 gr 459 Postel style.
RG in my case here it was a Savage 110 LH in 30-06' at 100 yd with a selection of jackets , it was before my enlightenment .

It turns out that the rifle was obtusely sensitive to case capacity . The sister rifle in 308 was a garbage disposal as long as I didn't break 175 gr , it shot 2" within 4" of poh .

My casting enlightenment and skills have long since reached a point where visual is good enough to get me inside 1% generally .

I once had an expectation of groups to be of a certain level . At some point I came to understand or maybe recognize that what I was expecting simply wasn't within both my skill set and the level of build quality in my rifles .
I did get that 1965 110LH dialed in I had to get case weights/volumes down to under a .8 gr case weight variation per case lot . FL sizing was not an option in that rifle either . I was shooting IMR 4350 in it and with a Hornady 150 .3 gr was the difference between 5 touching at .900 OD and 1.5" ctc . With a start load I was getting 2700 fps across the Chrono .

I guess my point is that there can be any number of things that will effect the location of holes at 100 yd and while good consistent bullets are a big part of that they aren't the only significant contributor .
110 LH case capacity resolved 18" groups .
110 LH same gun sizing removed 2" from groups .
SKS x39 primer change cut 2.5" from 50 yd groups .
340C 222 it just won't shoot a bad load .
325C 30-30 bullets under 1.2 inches in length won't shoot over 2" .
Dad's 25-06' , 75,85,100,115, 117 gr .750 and less for 5 on demand. 120s ? Best load ever 1.25 ctc . Forget shooting Hornady in this rifle it wants Sierra and Nosler and prefers FC primers and isn't real fussy about brass brands . The NOE .260-120 is playing nice but appears to want to be run wide open without regard to powder selection but I'm a long way off there yet .

The 1895G in 45-70 shoots 3" . Bagged , elbows , 3 point sitting , tree lean , with 3 405 gr class , 350 , and the NOE version of the 535 Postell all at 100 yd . The HB 400 gr Lee was a disaster and the 462-420 MP PB and HB don't bring me any joy until they are into concussion/whiplash levels at 417 and 380 gr . The Rapine 458-201 , a 255 RF at .459 with a thin base band being intended for a .458 dia SAA delivered 2" 4 of 5 with the 5 round tossed at 2000 fps 10' from the muzzle . The toss was wholely on me not the light , FP sighted Remlin .

I had a pair of 45 Colts M92's with 1-32 twist . With focus golf balls were subject to flight from 25-75 yd . At 110 the skinny end of a barn was at risk but in little danger . Ballistic calculators , Strelok , put transsonic at 79-84 yd depending on MV and the particular bullet . Between 78-82 yd the bullet would up set and depart line of flight at 10:00 and 30-40° . In that last 35 yd it would literally go from 75 yd pygmy cottontail in the pot to missed the 10' berm with the base at 105 yd and 60° face .

Then we have thread choke , roll marks , dove tails , screw pressure , temp , humidity , altitude , barometric pressure , latitude , spin drift vs earth rotation ...........

There are about 10 long range competition things a rack hunter grade rifle put into my cycle before I knew they were match level things . Also I'm a carburetors are a stupid simple device , breaker points ignition and windwings are a huge technology loss mechanic that looks for a root cause of a failure/defect an tries to describe it in such a way that both the guy that knows how to get gas in the tank and the PhD can get a visual of what I'm trying to say ........it doesn't always work .