45 ACP in Ruger BH
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Walks I guess it depends on what you are shooting. I shoot steel cans backed by a sand berm.... If I hit 'em with a 260 grain .45 Colt or a 200 grain .45 ACP cast bullet the effects are the same. The later is easier to reload and they use less lead & powder. If one is a paper puncher; again the .45 ACP is the way to go. However I still like shooting a few cylinders of 452424's in the .45 Colt every so often.
RBHarter
West Central AR
The curious conclusion .
We take 2 45s with a similar relationship to 308/06' , the larger cartridge having the advantage with heavies in spite of its reduced pressure limits but otherwise matched . We add a half inch just over groove dia jump for free acceleration and it shoots better than the "properly fitted" cartridge ......kind of reminds me of an 06' with a .250 jump .......
To borrow a word a conundrum isn't it .
We take 2 45s with a similar relationship to 308/06' , the larger cartridge having the advantage with heavies in spite of its reduced pressure limits but otherwise matched . We add a half inch just over groove dia jump for free acceleration and it shoots better than the "properly fitted" cartridge ......kind of reminds me of an 06' with a .250 jump .......
To borrow a word a conundrum isn't it .
Wally,
I like the #452424 too, but it's been a pitb since my mold drops bullets too long to fit in a Colt SAA cylinder. I shot them in my BH & M25-5.
These days I use the N.O.E. #453-247-SWC, it is a Beautiful clone of the Lyman #452423. I have a 5cav that puts out LOTS of Beautiful bullets.
It works well in the AR as well as the Colt cases.
But My Colt cylinder shoots better then the ACP, well most of the time anyway.
A Conundrum, but that's the Fun of it all. And the frustration.
I like the #452424 too, but it's been a pitb since my mold drops bullets too long to fit in a Colt SAA cylinder. I shot them in my BH & M25-5.
These days I use the N.O.E. #453-247-SWC, it is a Beautiful clone of the Lyman #452423. I have a 5cav that puts out LOTS of Beautiful bullets.
It works well in the AR as well as the Colt cases.
But My Colt cylinder shoots better then the ACP, well most of the time anyway.
A Conundrum, but that's the Fun of it all. And the frustration.
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CZ93X62
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Why revolvers work at all is something of a surprise. The principle is ludicrous--rotate charge holes around an axis to line up with some barrel assembly? Who dreamed this nonsense up? Just like helicopters, hummingbirds, and honeybees--they shouldn't function or fly, but they do. I just notch these outcomes as "Wins" and am grateful for such indulgences.
Ian
Notorious member
Agree with Rich, both the same up to 230 grains, then the Colt takes over. 45 Auto shoots better in my Uberti-made revolvers. For targets the Auto cylinder gets the nod because more accurate and cheaper to shoot, especially brass. Have buckets of auto brass that never seems to wear out but hoard my Starline .45 Colt. The revolver is a garbage disposal for .45 Auto ammo that didn't work well in the 1911s.
Charles Graff
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In 1995 or thereabouts, I bought a U.S.Ptd.F.A. clone of the Colt SA in 45 Colt. It came with the typical very large .457 cylinder throats. I sent the revolver back to Hartford for an additional 45 ACP cylinder and it arrived with .453 cylinder throats. In the ACP cylinder, I now load good old 452423 over 4.5 grains of Bullseye. I use 45 Cowboy Special brass. It shoots to the sights, is very accuracy and has plenty of thump. I like it.
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oscarflytyer
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Funny you say that Ian. I have a 230 RN hardball load that the revolvers shoot well and like. The 1911s NOT! Found it very odd. Maybe it isn't. I also found long ago that the 200 SWC cast Clay load everyone says works in 1911s didn't in mine. Everything else seemed to work but that one load.
Ian
Notorious member
The only time I recall something working the same at my house as someone else's was when I sent some of my bullets to a member here who had exactly the same complete upper as mine. He loaded the bullets by the same method I do and got the same results. Typically the only "always" is that our results trying as much as possible to do the same thing will be different, but even then sometimes they will be the same.
oscarflytyer
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^^^ And why we do it/test/AND SHARE our results and frustrations! And also why, as I am an IT guy, but own no servers/etc/don't CARE too, and my peers can't understand - THAT is WORK! THIS is FUN AND Challenging!
I use the N.O.E. #453-247-SWC clone of the #452423 in My AR loads and Colt loads.
I guess the reason the AR loads are lighter then the ACP loads are because of the OLD M1917's.
I use the N.O.E. instead of the #454424 because the #452423 has a shorter "nose". I want all .45Colt ammo to fit in any .45Colt chambered guns, including italian clones.
Use the loads right out of the Lyman CBH #2.
I guess the reason the AR loads are lighter then the ACP loads are because of the OLD M1917's.
I use the N.O.E. instead of the #454424 because the #452423 has a shorter "nose". I want all .45Colt ammo to fit in any .45Colt chambered guns, including italian clones.
Use the loads right out of the Lyman CBH #2.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
The casting session with #452423 will happen soon, but other projects are in line ahead of it in the Cartridge Foundry.
ETA--toward this end, today I finished 200 of the 500 9mm cartridges I have in queue to fill up. Marie and Melissa are very happy about this, and will likely empty them out very soon. It keeps me off the streets and out of the bars, I suppose.
ETA--toward this end, today I finished 200 of the 500 9mm cartridges I have in queue to fill up. Marie and Melissa are very happy about this, and will likely empty them out very soon. It keeps me off the streets and out of the bars, I suppose.
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A desirable and profitable venue for the end result I might add.
CZ93X62
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The girls think so.
So far, my 625 seems to like everything tried in it. 454424, 454190, 452460, faux Lee H&G 68, even good old 452374. The throats just admit a .452" pin gauge, and my 92/6/2 alloy sized at nominal .452" ejects things a couple tenths plus. ZERO leading so far. I am very happy with this revolver. I do want to get some of those 452423s cast up, hopefully later this week. A LOT of garage projects in the Cartridge Foundry went on hiatus during our annual Blast Furnace Period, and I have work to get caught up with out there. That Handloader article has all sorts of 45 AR load data I want to try, once some Power Pistol powder lands locally.
So far, my 625 seems to like everything tried in it. 454424, 454190, 452460, faux Lee H&G 68, even good old 452374. The throats just admit a .452" pin gauge, and my 92/6/2 alloy sized at nominal .452" ejects things a couple tenths plus. ZERO leading so far. I am very happy with this revolver. I do want to get some of those 452423s cast up, hopefully later this week. A LOT of garage projects in the Cartridge Foundry went on hiatus during our annual Blast Furnace Period, and I have work to get caught up with out there. That Handloader article has all sorts of 45 AR load data I want to try, once some Power Pistol powder lands locally.
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