9mm with power pistol

[Winelover]

Bought a pound of PP to tryout in my CZ Scorpoin carbine. Ran it with Lyman's 120 TC and Accurate's 35-147BG mould.

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=35-147BG-D.png

Lyman's 120 grain bullet in CCI brass and CCI 500 primers with following charges, ten shots and resulting MOA:

5.2 grains gave 6 MOA at 100 yards.
5.4 grains gave 5 MOA at 100 yards.
5.6 grains gave 4 MOA at 100 yards.

Accurate's 147 grain bullet in FC brass and CCI 500 primers with the following charges, ten shots and resulting MOA:

4.2 grains gave 5 MOA at 100 yards.
4.4 grains gave 5 MOA at 100 yards.
4.6 grains gave 7 MOA at 100 yards.

Not what I would call stellar accuracy, by a long shot.

I still need to test it with NOE's 115 RF bullet but I need to cast some up and then heat treat them because the ones I have on hand are PB and air cooled.

Haven't tried it with any of my pistols but it should do OK at handgun ranges............at least as well as I can hold.

 

[Pistolero]

As far as avoiding another caliber. I have absolutely refused to get involved with 40 Short and Weak. (where 10mm was the
orginal "40"). I just don't want to buy all the molds, dies, sizers, and more for no net gain. I can shoot 9mm or I
can shoot .45 and no need in the world to split the difference. Not going there, EVER.

Bill

 

[Cherokee]

I agree with Bill on the 40 S&W.

 

[JonB]

When my SIL bought a 9mm Mak (Hungarian PA63 IIRC?) and asked me to load him some, I asked which powder I should start with? Power Pistol was mentioned, so that's what I started with. My SIL says it works so well, that I never tried anything else.

 

[fiver]

I also avoid the 40.
I have a mold, brass, a pretty decent target load, and dies,,,, but no gun.

 

[freebullet]

I got no love for 40 either, but will likely own another at some point. With the amount of brass we get each year it just makes sense to have 9,40,45,223 around here.

 

[Ian]

I'm set up for .40 as well, my FIL used to have one. Not selling the mould or dies, or the 2K Speer brass I have mothballed out in the shed, but I ain't loading any more of it until there's no other option.

 

[Hawk]

Thread drift warning:
6.0 grains of old Unique, Win. standard pistol primers and Lyman's 175 gr. bullet cast from wheel weights (air cooled) will shoot 5 shot, 1" to 1-1/4" groups at 25 yards from all 4 of my Glocks (Model 22s and 27s).
From a rest, of course.
Mihec's 165 gr, powder coated, penta point does the same with 6.1 gr. of the Unique.

 

[John]

I love PP in the 40 Short and Weak. The Smith and Walther 999 gets a 175 gr bullet and a 90% top book load the Kahr Cm gets a medium load with the 145 gr. I bought 2K of brass for $35 and find it is fun and handy. Both guns were gunbroker finds for under $300. It works for me.

 

[Reloader762]

I like Power Pistol, got a 4 lb. jug for a steal a couple years ago so I use it in both 9mm an 45 ACP. In the CANIK TP9SA I use 5.0 grs. wit a NOE 124 gr. cast powder coated TC bullet in both plain base as well as a gas check version that will shoot to the same point of aim as 124 gr. NATO factory loads.

In the 45 ACP I like 6.9 grs. with a powder coated Lee 200 gr. SWC which leaves one large ragged hole at 30 yds. in my Hi Point carbine. I've never used it in 38 or 357 loads but a good friend gets around 1200 fps. with a MAX load using jacketed data with a 158 gr. cast bullets out of a 4" Ruger GP100.

 

[Pistolero]

Hmmm. "Old Unique". I am an unbeliever. I have both "old" and "new " Unique on my shelf
and can tell no difference physically or ballistically. I hear "Old 2400" and "new 2400" tossed
around, too, have same exact comment.

IMO, lot to lot variations are larger than any "old" vs "new" variations. One man's experience.

YMMV.

Bill

 

[Winelover]

Been using Unique and 2400 since I started reloading in the 70's. Wouldn't be without, either. Always bought 8 # jugs Never found any significant differences between "old & new" or Hercules vs Alliant. Still using CCI magnum primers with 2400, as recommended in the old manuals, too.

 

[Hawk]

I just like to qualify that I am not using "current production" Unique.
The stuff that I have was probably manufactured in the 80s and is still in cardboard cans with foil linings.
I had a lot of it and in 2008, inherited another +/- 12 lbs. from my Dad. I won't run out in my lifetime.
I don't have a lot of experience switching from older manufactured powder to the new stuff.
Between me and my Dad, we had a lifetime supply of all the Dot powders, 2400 and 296 for handguns.
Probably better powders for everything now, but I use Unique in every handgun I shoot, except 10MM. Stout loads for some, reduced loads for others.

 

[Ian]

IMO, lot to lot variations are larger than any "old" vs "new" variations. One man's experience.

Make that two of us.

 

[Pistolero]

No reason to give up on the Dots and Unique. Fine powders. Metering isn't ideal,
but good enough. And frankly, Unique does amazing stuff and I have no intent of
ever being without it. Red Dot, Green Dot are OK, but I don't use them much, just because
I have other things that filled those slots first, not because I think they are bad. I use
a bit of Red Dot, no Green.

Bill

 

[fiver]

I shied away from green-dot for a long, long time.
it was available during the crunch [oddly so was bulls-eye and Unique around here]
I started using it and bulls-eye and found I really like bulls-eye for some things, much like Unique has some bright spots.
Green is an odd powder in some way's it's about right in between unique and red-dot but I never found any favorite handgun loads with it.
now in shot shells,,, it has a new place in my heart, I have found some really nice loads with it and wouldn't be without it around the place.

 

[John]

Shuz on CB had a great load with Green Dot and the 44 Magnum. He used 7 gr with a 240-250 gr bullet. I tried it and it worked well I just went to Red Dot.

 

[Brad]

I am starting to really like Red Dot, or Promo, in handgun cartridges. Running 5 gr with a Lee 200 SWC in the 1911 right now. Used lots in the 9mm too.

The Power Pistol does seem good in 9mm too. Need to load up more now that I have the new parts for the Dillon.

 

[Hawk]

We started with Green Dot in shotgun shells. I had so much of it, I developed a .38 SPL wad cutter load for the kids to shoot.
3.0 gr. Behind a 148 gr. wad cutter was a really accurate load with light recoil.