A Christmas Present

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
waco,
Is that the Ranch dog Bullet?
If so I love it! That is what I shot 3 of the targets with today all 1" center to center But I was using 6, 7 & 8 Grains Unique
Jim
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Pay attention to the torque on that action screw, 30 inch-pounds ought to be plenty, you don't want to pre-stress the action. The capability exists to put nearly a ton of bendy force on the action with a single, 1/4-20 screw.
Ian,
For a layman....what is the best way to figure 30" pounds?
Jim
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Jim;
I'm not answering for Ian, but I have a Torque Wrench that measures in Inch pounds. Basically one foot pound is equal to 12 inch pounds.
 

Creeker

Well-Known Member
I brought back this thread because I did something drastic to my Savage 340 30-30!
I'm sure the old ones at Savage that have departed are rolling in their graves!
Under the watchful eye of Ben I went and Glass bedded my 340 and totally free floated the barrel last weekend!

I'd like to take a few to Ben.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
I have a 340C in 22 Rem. Bought it for the wood (beautiful figure!) and didn't pay that much attention to the rifle itself. When I finally started looking at the overall rifle, found that it had been fully glass bedded with what looks like dyed brown Acraglas. It also has the big fat ugly wood screw added at the rear of the trigger guard. My research shows that the 340 in 222 Rem was rebuilt with WAY more effort than it was worth, and put into service as a poor man's bench rest rifle, due to the 222 Rem. The extra screw seems a dead giveaway. I have yet to shoot it for accuracy. Reason - the last 1 1/2" of the barrel looked like a sewer pipe when I started looking at it. It has cleaned up ok and doesn't keyhole at 100 yds. So, I put a nice Leupold VX1 on it. Have loads, just need to get a place to shoot and see what it will do.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
waco,
Is that the Ranch dog Bullet?
If so I love it! That is what I shot 3 of the targets with today all 1" center to center But I was using 6, 7 & 8 Grains Unique
Jim
Yes. But it has the traditional lube grooves.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I was just throwing that number out there. On my Savage 110 etc. rifles I use 40 on the front screw and 35 on the rear, with just a hint of medium-strength threadlocker. After testing action deflection with a dial indicator and establishing a base-line number, I can repeat the bedding tension every time I pull the action out of the stock, so no worries about things changing. With a two-step machined pillar bed/skim bed job the stresses need to be repeatable or the targets won't be. The human tendency with fasteners is to load them up until they feel "tight", or what our experience tells us is enough torque that they won't back off again. Many times this is far too much torque, tight is tight long before the fastener stretch necessary to keep it tight is achieved, so it's threadlocker and the appropriate torque measuring tool to the rescue.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Here's what I use Jim; Fat Max by Wheeler Engineering. I torque all screws bolts, ect. especially on my Scope rings.
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Hi Ian,
I actually have one of those for car and motorcycle work Can't figure out how to make it work with/ or as a screw driver?
 

Intheshop

Banned
JW,there are sets of sockets that have every conceivable "bit" available.Usually 1/4" drive....which you can use a 3/8-1/4 adaptation.

Or make your own by welding the appropriate sized driver bit into an old socket.

Not sayin its better or worse than dedicated torque limited screwdrivers.....
 

Ole_270

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Born in 53 huh? That puts us born in the same year. That's a good looking rifle and looks like it's going to be a good shooter for you.

Might be another or two around from that year. I only missed '52 by a bit over two weeks.

Years ago a Brother in law had one of the 340s in 30-30. I only shot it a few times, other than the trigger and some extra bulk, I liked it. Who knows what it got traded on, beer knowing him.
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
OK Old Thread but I thought I would keep this in one place:
So I decided to remove the scope from my Savage 340 30-30 ( Just thought I was missing out on the fun of shooting a Receiver sighted target gun!)
Anyway I had turned in some good groups with it with the scope after all the work I did to modify this rifle so I just decided to see what I can do with my old eyes, Receiver rear and Aperature globe front sights again after a long hiatus.
This Morning was the first day out with it sans the scope. Wasn't a pleasent morning; Cold and windy and cloudy.
It took 4 rounds to get it back on the bull @ 50yds after I put back the Williams receiver sight. For my sight radius I use a Black 3.5" bull at 50 yds.
I shot 4 ten shot groups 2 with the SAECO 315 and the last 2 were with my Modified Hollow Point, Lyman 311291 that I got from Ben.
I have been playing with the HP pin design to come up with a good shooting "Target bullet" The ones I used have quite a large and long HP.
I was very happy with how this new design shot My 4th target rivals all of the scope sighted groups I have shot! This tells me My old eye still may work and the rifle can shoot if it has a good bullet!
These are Powder coated with Smoke's Clear PC Even though they are Gas Checked bullet I have found that with PC coating they shoot better than plain base ( Ian's tip!)
In the target below out of 10 shots there are 8 into 1/2" so I think it works!
Jim

311291 LargeHP target bullet.jpg

311291HP 9-22-18.jpg
 
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JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Actually Even using traditional lube I never had an issue shooting un gas checked bullets! However I probably never exceed 1200 FPS and I shoot at 50 yards.
But since Ian's said Un-gas checked bullets with PC shoot better than Plain base I always gravitate to the non-checked bullet & I have found it to be true!
Jim
 

Ian

Notorious member
I wouldn't say GC always does better than FB when coating, but if you have a clean, square base on any bullet design it helps the way it shoots and that is often easier to achieve with a BB or GC design. If a GC bullet is out of round and sized so that the base band is distorted an no longer square to the crown all the way around its circumference, it probably won't shoot well. Plain, flat base bullets do better for me if they are baked base-up.