A strange dream or an odd memory about loading bullets from my child hood.

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
This memory is almost like a dream. Or maybe it was. I am pretty sure it is real, because stories from others have backed it up.
It is about my uncle Jim.
I stayed with him one summer back in 1979, when I was 12. Now keep in mind, I am 52 now so that was 40 years ago.
Could someone justify this, so I know I am not crazy.
I can remember him loading some kind of long straight copper colored cartridges for his lever gun.
First he went out back to the old junk car and cut the battery terminals off then pulled the lead plates out of the busted battery.
He built a pit fire outside, with coal, then threw them into a tall sided cast skillet along with some lead shot, a piece of pipe and some pine bark.
He then cast a bunch of bullets in a 5 or 6 cavity, gold colored mold, with black handles.
He then dropped the bullets in a pot of bees wax while they were hot. After the mess cooled he dug the bullets one at a time out of the mess with his casting spoon, and wiped them off with a wool sock. Then inside to the table.
I remember him filling the shells with powder till they were all the way full with a regular table spoon, with some kind of powder out of a black Clorox style jug. Then he would shake out some of the powder and tap it down, till there was just enough room for the bullet to fit, and pound home into the brass with a die of some kind and a leather mallet. "Filler all the way up, so to get a good charge," he would say.
I then remember going out the next day and shooting the home made ammo up in his lever gun. I also remember a very sore shoulder.
I originally thought this was a waking dream mixed with some memories, until my brother mentioned our uncle Jim loading shells with a table spoon.
Could this in fact be a memory of a 12 year old boy, come back to him years later.
Or am I as crazy as my long gone, Uncle Jim(God rest his soul).

The things I find most odd are the color of the shells and the mold. Also the fact that he "packed" the powder into the shell till no more would fit, without using a scale or measure. The pounding with a hammer to load was probably a memory of an early type of lee loader.
 
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358156 hp

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It's all viable. Some casters used to get their lead from car batteries. Getting the lead out of the batteries was hazardous, and we finally got away from it only a few decades back. I've decided to not share the method I saw used to separate the lead from the case. That is info that just needs to die out. The powder wasn't necessarily black powder, there were several very slow burning surplus powders for 50 BMG and smaller cannon shells that guys were literally compacting in rifle cases and seating bullets over. They pretty much burned like black powder in those conditions, and this method is still used to this day with some surplus powders.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Sounds like H4831 or Black in a 38-55 and a Lee whack a mole to me . Brass Win mould could have been still in common use being "just an old mould" then .

I have a paper can of H4831 stamped with " June 1974 this is WWII surplus powder" or to that effect . I don't know if it would have been in a plastic jug but it might have been in an otherwise unmarked metal can like a Coleman gas can or even a syrup can , giving the small one the impression of a plastic jug .......could have been a bleach bottle maybe , or a wine jug even . I don't know if even then the "hardware store" would have put bulk powders in a glass container .

Dad and Uncle Bingo established base line maximum loads for 25-06' and H4831 68-72' via scoop 10 cases full , bump and spill to the neck base , and weigh what was left . Turns out it is still within the new data limits +-.2 .
 

fiver

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whack-a-mole die set.
4831 is feasible but 36grs is probably all I'd want in a 30-30 I generally run about 35 with the 170gr 311041.

40 years ago was 1980.
he easily could have got a brass mold from Dixie gun works during that time period.
if he had something like a lighter 130gr mold or the like from them, filling the case with 4831 and packing it in with the bullet would actually be a necessity.
 
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freebullet

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My uncle Robert used the scoop till full method with 4831 in 270win. Those loads were obscene. Once I got on my feet loading wise his loads were given to a friend with a warning about them being stiff & only safe for a strong action they will close freely in. I don't miss those loads.

Uncle Robert is still ornery. Yes, the slightest reminder can bring us right back to childhood memories & experiences. We're lucky to have them.
 

Mitty38

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Any memories of the type rifle you fired? Might narrow it down some.
Lever action so could have been a 30-30 but I remember long straight cartridges so maybe a 38-55 or a 45 something back then.
I was wondering if maybe they made some cartridges out of red brass back then.
 
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fiver

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45-70 would explain the sore shoulder.
the powder could have been surplus 4895/3031/4064 they would have all been about a case full compressed load too.
but the rifle would have been an 86 and not a 94.
same/same to a kid just the 86 would have been bigger, like a way oversized 94.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
32-40, 38-55, any of the 40, 44 or 45 cal lever cartridges. I can recall when a 32-40 was a wicked powerful looking case compared to the 22LR I was used to.
 

Mitty38

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Ok, asked one of my cousins last night, if he remembered what gun my uncle had. My cousin said it was the same gun Tom Horne used? Because my uncle was Tom Horn Fan?????
 

fiver

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that makes it worse.
Tom had a model 94 in 30-30 on him when he was arrested, but Steve McQueen stated he preferred the 45-60 rifle [1886] in the movie because ammo was easier to get.

I would tend to think your uncle was a fan of the movie, more than a fan of a guy hung for killing a kid.
 

Mitty38

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Oh the memories of us old folks hoe they can get garbled.
My cousin was probably talking about a different gun,my Uncle could have related a movie that was made with a gun he already owned at the time. Or I stayed with him in 80 or 81 instead of 79.
Did find out the rifle make, a little bit ago. Seams my one cousins, ex husband,an avid "gun collector", actually has it.
It is a '70's 1895 Marlin in 45-70.
 
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Ian

Notorious member
Steve McQueen liked big cartridges for show. He had a Mare's Leg in .44-40 but a cartridge belt stuffed full of 45/70 cartridges. Hollywood.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
Now I might have to Buy me a Marlin 1895, and a Lee "whack a mole set.
Then I can recreate my memory of my uncles methods.
Sounds like a good enough reason to buy another gun.
Now just got to figure out how to strip a car battery. LOL