An old "Bob"

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
Ric - To busy lately picking up old Colt and Smith revolvers. And can shoot them easier/more. I have no real need for anymore rifles, and two projects still to finish... But just always wanted one or other of the 25s.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I bracket 4350 with 4064 and RL-19.
4350 would work, so should the RL-15 you have.
the 25's ain't usually too picky unless your trying for those 1/2-3/4" consistent groups, then they do show a preference for a powder speed.
 

Ole_270

Well-Known Member
I bought a box of Speer 100gr Hot Cores
Sounds like a powder along the line of 4350 or so is what I want?

Writer John Barsness has said in articles about the 257 Roberts that, "if it won't shoot with one of the 4350s and a good 100 grain bullet, suspect the rifle"
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Ric - But just always wanted one or other of the 25s.
IMHO, the Roberts is as good as it gets with .25's. But they are in "heavy" rifles almost always. So I ended up with a Savage Model 1920 in 250/3000 that weights five pounds six. While it is not as accurate as the Roberts I had, nor the 250/3000 Savage 99's, it is a joy to carry in the sage brush and with a cocking piece peep, accurate enough for 200 yards.
 

oscarflytyer

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Whut in'ell is THIS?!!! https://www.cdnnsports.com/mossberg-464-spx-tactical-22lr-26575.html?___SID=U#.W_MEAeJRfIU I can't even begin to imagine what sick, twisted mind thought this debacle up. "NEW! IMPROVED!!! Be the first on your block to own the single ugliest rifle ever to grace the pages of any gun mag!!!!! But WAIT! There's MORE! It's TACTICAL! !!!! Mall Ninjas everywhere have been lusting after a TACTICAL 22LR levergun for decades!!!!! Call now! Operators are standing by!!!!!"
Savage Model 1920

Never seen one. But pics I found on the net, looks like a sweet rifle!
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Mine is this early model that was disliked by Townsend Whelen and others because the stock was small and light. Works for me.
1920 in 1925.jpg
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
My Dad wanted a 257 for at least 40 yr that I've been around . An opportunity to presented itself for a cute little 93/95 in it .......there's a whole convolution story that goes around in a big circle .
It was a gift and ultimately I got it back still unfired in it's new build form . I shot a start load from the lowest start book load of I4350 and a Sierra 100 gr GK . Never shot them over a Chrony but the book suggested 2900 or so .
Do not shoot a pig head on , head down , high neck . You will have blood shot clear to the ribs under the elbows at 40 yd .

I guess I'll keep it .
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
waco,
The ones I cast for my buddy Ed are Al's 260-63-FN.
I found out you have to run this mould Hot & Fast with a high alloy temp.
He shoot these very well ot of his 257 Bob and 250 Sav But he uses light loads with no gas checks and 2 coats of BLL
We both are paper punchers but shoot every week ( at 50 yds) First time out with these I was impressed. I could get you his load data.
I do know he doesn't size them
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
One of my all-time favorite rifle cartridges!

75 grain Sierra HPs at 3300 fps or 100 grain Remington Corelokts at 3000 fps, using one of the 4350s, has been about all I've shot through it because it's all I've needed. Pressures are low and brass lasts a long time. My single brass attrition factor seems to be outright age, where some cases older than me tend to develop neck splits on loaded ammo that's sat too long.

Very accurate - three shots in a half inch when I'm "feelin' it." Not to argue for three, five or ten-shot groups - three is more than I need for hunting and if a .257" bullet doesn't hit within a half inch of where I intended, it's me, not the load or gun. Nothing against five or ten-shot groups - I'm just qualifying what I mean when I say "accurate."

The 257 is such an easy cartridge to get along with, mild report and recoil, doesn't use a lot of powder, accurate, not temperamental. The "long" action is plenty, the 98 Mauser is just about right. My brother had a Browning Lever in 257 that was a short action and I didn't like stuffing 117s and 120s that far into the case. Not sure it mattered. John Barnsness say is doesn't.

My own 'Roberts is a Coumbian FN military Mauser my dad built me many years ago. For several years, I shot it side by side with a Tang Safety M77 Ultralight with a 24" tapered octagon barrel chambered for 25 Souper and the ballistics were identical to my 22" Mauser using the same bullets, powder and nearly the same amount of powder. The Souper had to work a little harder (more pressure) to match the 'Roberts but it was still within very reasonable limits. The Souper eventually moved on but the 'Roberts will be in my estate sale if one of my daughters don't want it.

Never shot a deer with either, but quite a few woodchucks came out of their hole for the last time when a 75 grain Sierra HP caught up with them. It was definitely more decisive a result than with the 22 center-fires we used.

Sorry for the rambling babble, but any mention of the 257 Roberts pushes my "talk" button - which is also conneted to the 7x57 and 6.5x55. I'd take any of the three in a 6# rifle with a low-powered variable (and peep/post backup) and be happy. Those three are like the straight-sixes of the automotive world to me - they may not have the displacement, horsepower or RPM of a v-configuration, but they can get the job done admirably in the "low end" just the same.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
"Sorry for the rambling babble, but any mention of the 257 Roberts pushes my "talk" button - which is also connected to the 7x57 and 6.5x55. I'd take any of the three in a 6# rifle with a low-powered variable (and peep/post backup) and be happy. Those three are like the straight-sixes of the automotive world to me - they may not have the displacement, horsepower or RPM of a v-configuration, but they can get the job done admirably in the "low end" just the same."

If I were a hunter with only one rifle for the lower 48, you just read my mind.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
Have the 6.5x55. Totally agree. It will do amazing things! Always wanted a 7x57 - closest I have is the Savage 99 284.
 

Ole_270

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Haven't tried cast in my 257 yet, my 25 cal molds are aimed at my '94 Marlin 25-20. I do have the NOE 260283 mold as a plain based bullet that works great in the 25-20, might have to try it in the bob
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
waco Yes that is a nice NOE mould ( and more to my liking) My buddy Ed likes shooting light bullets I like them with more substace
I have the similar NOE 105 FN in .246 which is very accurate Fast or slow. I can shoot it at 900 fps and also 2100 fps & it shoots impressive groups both speeds
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Found mine . I shot a few jacketed . Start loads of I4350 under 100 gr Sierra GK shoot little bitty clusters .
I have several moulds for it but I haven't shot any cast yet . I'm hoping for a 2000 fps 120 gr . I have a 100 and a couple 80-87gr . I have an undersized nose 6.5 also that would give me a heavyweight as well .
It's a rather ugly hag but serviceable , ;) .
 

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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Good looking rifle with a good family history. Couldn't be better.

Bill

Yes, and I didn't compliment that nice rifle before going off on my nostalgic ramblings about a marvelous old cartridge....

So, yes, a fine cartridge regardless of its age and a very fine rifle to boot. The history/provenance is a plus as well.

I forget that such things as tang-safety Rugers aren't "new" any more. Now people refer to them as "old" tang-safety Rugers. Their stock shape is clean, aesthetically pleasing, they fit me and they are just generally appealing rifles. I've had several myself but have never owned one of the MKIIs or later M77s.