Avoiding a double charge in the 38 Special

Jeff H

NW Ohio
...Because I get called away in the middle of a session pretty regularly...

EXACTLY!

Happens all the time. I was doing laundry a while back and washed a whole load of NOTHING. Went to put the stuff in the dryer when the washer was done and realized I'd gotten called away as I started and never came back and put the clothes in.

Felt sorta stupid, but at least I didn't wreck a rifle or put a new orifice in my head. My handloading habits have changed as I am called away more often.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
EXACTLY!

Happens all the time. I was doing laundry a while back and washed a whole load of NOTHING. Went to put the stuff in the dryer when the washer was done and realized I'd gotten called away as I started and never came back and put the clothes in.

Felt sorta stupid, but at least I didn't wreck a rifle or put a new orifice in my head. My handloading habits have changed as I am called away more often.
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger man! I've done the same thing, made coffee numerous times without adding any coffee grounds, completely forgotten to add very necessary ingredients to foods, etc. Too many irons in the fire.
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger man! I've done the same thing, made coffee numerous times without adding any coffee grounds, completely forgotten to add very necessary ingredients to foods, etc. Too many irons in the fire.

I wish I had the hours, maybe days back, that I spent looking for where I left my favorite coffee mug!...... Hint, It is always in the last place you left it.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Grease pencils/ China markers are a staple on my reloading bench. I also like them for marking load data on plastic MTM type ammo boxes. I don't use the stickers cause the can be pain to remove all the residue. I frequently chance loads and or calibers like 38/357 or 44 Spl/44 Mag. Magic Eraser will readily remove the grease. Amazon sells them, even in a color assortment pack.

I frequently test ladder loads, especially when trying out a new powder. I will load ten rounds of each with charges in .2 to.5 grain increments. All go in same ammo box. Primers are color coded, using a Sharpie. Amount of powder is written inside the ammo box lid with the same color grease pencil.....................just incase the box tips over.
 

Dimner

Named Man
This is how I note everything in my reloading room and ammo boxes for the range. Painters tape and sharpie. I'm always labeling things. I will stop a project for a couple of weeks and forget what I was doing. What size are those bullets? What alloy? When did I PC them? This brass, has it been annealed? I got sick of not knowing the answers.

I do powder the same way as L Ross. Painters tape on the bottle with the name in sharpie. Then that label goes on the powder hopper while the powder is in it. Back on the bottle when done. I only ever use/have filled one powder hopper at a time. Even if I have a hopper dedicated to a powder, I empty it if I am going to fill another.

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Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I never ever leave powder in a dispenser, longer than it takes me to reload. Never overnight, either. Use it and back in the bottle. Rule #1 is never have more than one bottle of powder on the bench. Powder storage is on opposite side of the room, far away from the bench. None of my dispenser viewing tubes are etched/cloudy.
 

Creeker

Well-Known Member
Happy to see your concern Ben. We can all give advice here but you will never be satisfied till your heart says so. My 2 cents is stay with the Bullseye & keep doing what you're doing. BTW I've had good results with 2400 in 38 special standard loads even with the WC bullet.
 
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Michael

Active Member. Uh/What
I know that I am coming in on this a bit late. Personally speaking Ben's approach is spot on, I don't care how old we are or how long we have been reloading, especially as we all get older. Even with a progressive press I am detailed and diligent in the process, it is not about how many rounds I can produce in the shortest amount of time. It simply allows me to produce more in the same amount of time. Upper end loads and match fodder gets loaded one a time on the Rock Chucker, always.

I dislike handling a case anymore than necessary, more often than not it's pick up the case, prime, charge, seat, handling the case once. If i am doing load work, the powder charge gets written on the side of the case with a sharpie as I finish each charge weight.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
I have large quantities of 2400 powder. Seems that in a 38 Special , 9.0 - 9.5 grs. with the 358477 makes a good load. I wanted to see if a " double charge " of this load would fit in the 38 Special. Answer is - - YES . However, you'll not have any room for the 358477 cast bullet.
I would kill to have large quantities of 2400. Do you need any shotgun primers? I'd be up for a horse trade.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
Your process is good with one exception. If you load with coarse powders, you could find yourself with a squib load in one case and a near double charge in the next. I had this happen to me recently with H4895. Yes, this is a rifle powder. But the risk is still there. The powder bridged in my Uniflow and only dropped a few granules into the pan. I thought that it might have bridged on the powder side and not filled the drum. But I put the pan under the measure and cycled it again and got damn near a double charge. So, the powder was bridged in the spout portion of the Uniflow.

I have a different method to assure no double charges. I have a dowel that gets a line drawn on it for the correct load in the case. I then charge all the cases. With the cases full, I go around with the stick and check the powder assuring no double charges.

At our club, we had two double charges, both in Springfields, thank God. One was me. My standard load is 17.5 gr of 2400. So, there was 35 gr of 2400 in that case. It was much louder and kicked like a mule. I could not open the gun. We had to pound the bolt open with a piece of firewood and a hatchet. The primer fell out on the bench. The primer pocket in the case was a good 20% bigger. The bolt face was brass plated.

The other was a .308 Criterior rebarrelled 03. This one was more violent. Blew the floorplate out of the rifle and jet blasted the spotter sitting next to him out the gas relief port.

Both rifles suffered zero effects (other than my brass plated bolt face). I think mine even shoots a tad better. ;)

I always stick checked my cases. But I got complacent. I skipped the stick check. Afterall, I've been reloading for close to 60 years. Bullshit!! Had that been a lower grade receiver (I read that 03's were proof tested to over 100,000 psi) I might be called Blinky, now.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Your process is good with one exception. If you load with coarse powders, you could find yourself with a squib load in one case and a near double charge in the next. I had this happen to me recently with H4895. Yes, this is a rifle powder. But the risk is still there. The powder bridged in my Uniflow and only dropped a few granules into the pan. I thought that it might have bridged on the powder side and not filled the drum. But I put the pan under the measure and cycled it again and got damn near a double charge. So, the powder was bridged in the spout portion of the Uniflow.

I have a different method to assure no double charges. I have a dowel that gets a line drawn on it for the correct load in the case. I then charge all the cases. With the cases full, I go around with the stick and check the powder assuring no double charges.

At our club, we had two double charges, both in Springfields, thank God. One was me. My standard load is 17.5 gr of 2400. So, there was 35 gr of 2400 in that case. It was much louder and kicked like a mule. I could not open the gun. We had to pound the bolt open with a piece of firewood and a hatchet. The primer fell out on the bench. The primer pocket in the case was a good 20% bigger. The bolt face was brass plated.

The other was a .308 Criterior rebarrelled 03. This one was more violent. Blew the floorplate out of the rifle and jet blasted the spotter sitting next to him out the gas relief port.

Both rifles suffered zero effects (other than my brass plated bolt face). I think mine even shoots a tad better. ;)

I always stick checked my cases. But I got complacent. I skipped the stick check. Afterall, I've been reloading for close to 60 years. Bullshit!! Had that been a lower grade receiver (I read that 03's were proof tested to over 100,000 psi) I might be called Blinky, now.
Historic information: low number Springfield is tested to 72,000 cup. Double heat treatment 03 are good for over 100,000 cup. Nickel steel are good for about 80,000. WW2 rifles are 80,000 plus depending up steel lot and heat treatment.

One club member did the double at 32 grains of 2400 in 03A3. Firewood to open bolt, every thing was within spec’s by his gunsmith. It shot better because it had a CMP replacement stock and that shot seated the recoil lug.