Bulk Xlox

[Josh]

Well, i have went and done it... i should have a lifetime supply of Ben's Lube in a few weeks. I just ordered 2 Gallons of xlox from Lsstuff and i have 4 bottles of Johnson's Liquid wax...

I need one more bottle of Johnson's and i will have 2.75 gallons of finished lube I plan to store it in milk jugs when mixed.

If this is the same stuff ben has put on his bullets when we swapped i will be happy as a lark. I also plan to use this as a standard lube for the 30 Badger and it's 85 gr bullets.

 

[358156hp]

Personally, I think I'd make it in small batches to leave the floor wax sealed in factory containers as long as possible. This would help prevent the solvents in the wax (naptha) from evaporating. Naptha vapors seem to be able permeate through some plastic containers.

Just a suggestion, of course.

 

[Josh]

Ah ok, never thought of leak through. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[Ian]

Personally, I think I'd make it in small batches to leave the floor wax sealed in factory containers as long as possible. This would help prevent the solvents in the wax (naptha) from evaporating. Naptha vapors seem to be able permeate through some plastic containers.

Just a suggestion, of course.

+1, totally agree.

In my experience, milk jugs are barely good enough to store milk for a week. They make pretty impressive bullet-testing media though, when filled with water and lined up. For volatile solvents, I prefer glass with metal lids and good gaskets under the lid. The gallon jugs in which cheap wine is often sold do well for this, ask any tarbender for empties. That's what I use for mixing and storing my Ed's Red, just be super-careful not to drop them!

 

[Brad]

A tar bender? Is that the thing they use to get it in the cracks in the road?

I agree on mixing small batches. The can the Johnson's is in are made for long term storage.

 

[Brad]

A tar bender? Is that the thing they use to get it in the cracks in the road?

I agree on mixing small batches. The can the Johnson's is in are made for long term storage.

 

[Josh]

And this is why i announce my plans to everyone! Thanks guys!

 

[Ian]

A tar bender? Is that the thing they use to get it in the cracks in the road?

I agree on mixing small batches. The can the Johnson's is in are made for long term storage.

Haha! NO, but those guys that fix road cracks could probably supply a few empty gallons wine jugs as well, or maybe some Milwaukee's Best cans.

 

[358156hp]

A Tar Bender is the first thing you see two of, when under the affluence of incahol.

 

[Pistolero]

Metal can with a screw on lid for long term storage.
Naptha is Coleman fuel, in case more is needed.

 

[smokeywolf]

Actually, as I understand it, lighter fluid is naptha. Coleman fuel is white gas, and although from the same cracking as that of gasoline, is a slightly further refinement of gasoline and is without the additives for color, lubricity and harsher storage conditions that gasoline possesses.

I just secured 6 cans of the Johnson's "One Step" and will mix Ben's Liquid Lube in smaller batches. Most of what I accumulate that has long or unlimited storage life and may at some point have value in sustaining and protecting my family, I try to procure at least enough for my lifetime and those of my children. Lead is an exception. I'd like to leave behind enough for several generations.

 

[Rick]

You might find that much lead a bit of a problem during your up coming move back to America.

 

[smokeywolf]

Right now I probably have less than a thousand pounds. Collecting in earnest won't start until we are settled in America.

 

[Pistolero]

The back of a can of Coleman brand fuel says "contains naptha petroleum distillate" and
the can of Ozark Trail stove fuel beside it says the same thing in very slightly different words.

One problem is that chemically naptha is not a very precisely defined material. Modern
use divides it into light naptha and heavy naptha based on boiling point and numbers of
carbons in the hydrocarbons. I would guess that Coleman fuel is an example of light naptha,
which is defined to have a boiling point between 30C and 90C (86F and 194F) a fairly wide
range, and the hydrocarbon molecules should have 5 or 6 carbon atoms. So it is a mix
of different distinct hydrocarbons, not one material.

Octane, the original "gasoline" substantial constituent, has 8 carbon atoms and is exactly
one chemical formula (albeit with 18 possible structural arrangements of the atoms!), but naptha is
a mix and not really precisely defined.

Terms in common use frequently do not match up with organic chemistry definitions
and are more functional definitions than actual definitions of exactly what is in it.

"Gasoline" is similar and the current stuff we call gasoline and put in our tanks is
quite different stuff from what was meant by the original term in the early years of the
20th century when "gasoline" was a liquid that spontaneously separated from a natural
gas stream from a gas well and was a real danger during maintenance, running around
everywhere, extremely flammable.

 

[fiver]

that stuff is more commonly called drip gas now day's.
it's just good enough to run an older vehicle on or to cut store bought gas with.

 

[Ben]

For whatever it is worth, I have 8 cans of Liquid One Step.

I will only make one (1) Ketchup bottle of Ben's Liquid Lube at a time.

I keep the remainder of my " stash " of alox and One Step in their original containers until I need more Ben's Liquid Lube.

Ben

 

[Josh]

For whatever it is worth, I have 8 cans of Liquid One Step.

I will only make one (1) Ketchup bottle of Ben's Liquid Lube at a time.

I keep the remainder of my " stash " of alox and One Step in their original containers until I need more Ben's Liquid Lube.

Ben

If you had to guess how much BLL you use per hundred what would it be? .5 cc?

 

[Pistolero]

Ben,
I would also like to know how much of the mix is needed to lube a batch of
148gr Lee WCs. Trying to gauge how much of the one-step to buy, and then
how much Xlox to buy to go with it.

 

[Brad]

I'm not Ben but.....
First off, the One Step has been discontinued. Buy what you think you will need for the rest of your shooting lifetime. I bought 4 cans.

How much depends on surface area of the bullets being lubed. I plan to be scientific in nature and add a handful of bullets and a small squirt of lube. Over a few tumbles I will quickly get a good feel for how much is enough. I'm willing to bet that 1 mL is enough to coat a few hundred 38 wadcutters.

My feeling is that I can always add more but it is gonna be tought to remove excess globs on the bullets.

 

[fiver]

when I tumble lube this is my procedure.
I heat the boolits up with a hair dryer until they are just about too hot to touch.
I heat up the lube I'm using and cut it with mineral spirits to make it thinner.
I then ladle the lube over the boolits with a fork and swirl them around in a small cup with a lid on it.
I open the lid and look at the boolits.
if they look like they have a wash of color on them, I pour them out on a cookie sheet set in front of a fan to dry.
I might add more boolits to the cup if the lube looks too thick.

then I size/check them in the star.
for my second coat I do the same thing.
only I cut the lube the lube by 50+% with mineral spirits or just use straight mineral spirits
if they have more than a wash on them.

the key to tumble lubing is to not get carried away with covering the booits with too heavy of a coating.
my version of tumble lube has bees wax and a pigmented wax in it so i can see the coating better and to insure I don't get a heavy coat.