Current Production Taurus Revolvers?

Jeff H

NW Ohio
These LOOK really good - better than they'd have to. I'm hoping this is not their only quality though.

Sometimes, adequate is adequate.

My old Taurus 44 Specials LOOKED great too. They performed very well too, even if there are now "nicer" compact 44 Specials available today, those were a few ticks above basic utility. If this one performs as well as it looks good, I'll be very pleased, even if there are "nicer" 357s out there.

I don't prefer Charter Arms revolvers because I'm cheap (not that I'm not cheap), but they do what I need from them without a lot of "overhead."

Still can't get past how well that butt-ugly rubber grip suits me.

I've picked a few pieces out of the action now and really am impressed with the absence of chips, burrs, gunk or rust. Everything has an appropriate amount of clear, light machine oil on it and there is some light blackening in the oil at wear points. I might just scrutinize the sear/dog interface and button it back up and just use it for a while to get it to "wear in."
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Little update:

There is a lot I like about this little gun. I WANT to LOVE this gun, but one thing is standing in the way and may not be correctable to the level of my complete satisfaction - the trigger pulls, especially the SA pull.

I'm not on a SWAT Team, not an LE, no longer in the military, and my primary use for this arm would be as a "kit gun," 'round the house extermination tool, small game gun, fun-gun and make-do self-defense gun. Although it is intended to be a dedicated self-defense gun by design, my intentions are different. SD guns are dedicated to SD. I don't "play" with those - familiarization and skill-retention are more like "training." This is intended to be more of a FUN/UTILITY gun, which would work as a SD piece if I were to need it while out working or playing with it.

The SA trigger has to be between nine and twelve pounds - actually mush stiffer than the other DAs I have or have had. The DA is stiff, but workable. If I have to use DA with this gun, I'm using DA because I don't have time to use SA, like I'm seriously in danger and the pull won't be noticed.

There is an issue with the sear/trigger interface, such that they basically lock together, given the factory angles. Pulling the trigger SA has to force the hammer back a significant amount to reach the break-point. A VERY slight amount of that effect is OK with a "heavy," but CLEAN and non-creepy SA pull, but this is beyond ridiculous.

Not wanting to compromise the reliability of the small hammer setting off primers, I left the springs alone - for now. I opened it up and cleaned up/polished a bunch of surfaces and left the sear/trigger geometry alone (for now) and it's.... "better?" OK, somewhat smoother, but it wasn't really awful before.

Still, the SA pull is just unacceptable. I'm not looking for ounces in pull-weight either. 3# or even 4# would be fine for what this gun is for - the way I intend to use it. I am going to have to alter the angles on the sear/trigger to get past this SA issue, which is akin to trying to snap a rusted-fast 3/4" bolt off a tractor that's been sitting in the weather for fifty years. Not sure how deep the hardness goes on these, but I may just find out, but the gun has to function in SA or it has to go.

When I was handling it alone, it was easier to appreciate it - or to kid myself that I'd be able to live with this issue. THEN, I get the Charter, Mag Pug out, which is the same chambering and basic configuration, etc., and there's just no way. That little gun is a great little piece, with remarkable DA and just a tiny (predictable and repeatable) hitch in the SA, and the target starts to act like a bullet magnet all the sudden. I have to really, really focus and concentrate to hit using the Taurus and that awful trigger. I can fix it. I just don't know if I'll get past a light surface hardening. We'll see.

The hand/pawl and the transfer bar are HARD. Surprisingly so. The transfer bar looks like it was lasered and then bent to shape, leaving a significantly "textured" surface to ride in its channel in the frame. I took it to some 300 grit paper and relived it of a fair amount of the ridges and it was still hard several thousandths down - but it's a thin part too. I've only avoided touching the surfaces of the sear/trigger interface as a precaution, but am to a point where it is undeniably necessary if I want to shoot this gun, especially when I have another, of another make, which has spoiled me terribly.

OH! and that super-cool, clean, crisp, patridge sight with the orange-paint insert and tritium vial? A waste. The gun shoots LOW, so I'll have to either try to file it down without ruining it, or replace it with a shorter one. At least I CAN replace it in this gun, which is a big deal. Had to ghave the whole barrel replaced on the Mag Pug because the integral sight was too SHORT - shot way HIGH. I'm shooting 148 grain WCs at 750 (or so) fps, 158 grain RFNs at about 900 - 950 fps and 180 WFNs at about 850 - 900 fps. From the Charter, POI = POA for all three at ten and twenty yards, and I get little groups. Same loads from the Taurus - decent groups (who can say with that trigger?) and 2" low at ten and twice that at twenty. Not complaining about that, as I can fix that easily enough and I think S&W or Ruger, pin-in front sight blades will work, or I can make one.

Dang, I still just love this bare back-strapped, ugly, rubber Hogue grip though. Wish they had this grip for the Charters.

Aside from the trigger pulls, this is not at all unusual for pretty much any other revolver I've bought new, as far as having to fiddle with it. Most Charters I''v bough just need to be smoothed up inside, with NO real "trigger-work." Any Ruger I've bought required both, plus things only the factory could fix on many. I've only owned one new Smith and it was a nightmare right out of the box (mid-eighties 624), but only a single sample. So, I'm not so much complaining or criticizing this new gun as I am sort of reveling in the fact that it's not nearly as "bad" as I expected or have gotten used to.
 

hporter

Active Member
Jeff,

Thank you for posting this update report. I bought my 44 special Taurus because I was curious about them. Your new gun was interesting to me too.

I've been in the same boat. I have a lot of Ruger revolvers that I bought brand new and some of them did need to be sent back. Which isn't a big negative to me, as I have had to send back a brand new Smith and Wesson that cost twice as much as any of my Rugers did.

I have also bought a new Ruger like my SP101 Wiley Clapp snubnose that has the most beautiful trigger I have ever felt on a new Ruger. Really nice stuff. Since I seem to buy off the wall models - I always have to order them. So trying the trigger out before purchasing is rarely an option.

I hope you get your trigger worked out. Sounds like it might be an adventure. Please post updates as you do.

And all this talk of Charter Arm revolvers has me looking at them again. I sold my 44 special Bulldog years ago, but now I am rethinking the wisdom of that act.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Well after reading Jeff's post a few points come to mind.

The first point brings me back to the Taurus, "either you get a good one or you don't", rule.
I hate to say it, but that just seems to be the way Taurus hits a price point.
I've experienced the problem of a trigger needing to "rock" the hammer reward before the trigger will release the hammer. That is clearly a sear/hammer geometry issue.
I had that problem on a Marlin 39A and a Star Super B. In both cases the solution was to correct the geometry so that the sear would safely hold the hammer but didn’t need to force the hammer back to release the hammer. That requires a lot of careful filing & stoning work to slowly get the correct angles and engagement.

As for worrying about the surface hardness of the parts you are stoning – Don’t worry about it. It SUCKS already. It is no good in its current configuration and there’s a good chance you can fix it. If you ruin the part, you haven’t lost a thing – it was already broken.

As for the front sight, that’s not a huge issue. You might lose the insert if you file the front sight but you either must learn to live with the low P.O.I. or fix it. There’s no in-between and fixing it isn’t the end of the world.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
@hporter , I certainly appreciate hearing that someone got some benefit from this. I know this is not everyone's cup o' tea, and that Taurus might be better appreciated for what they are right out of the box, but as you said - "curious about them."

I'll get the trigger worked out and it won't be the worst I've had to do to a revolver, but sometimes they're just like that.

A dear friend has one of the Wiley Clapp SP101s.. His first Ruger, I think, and I also think that HE thinks this is what Rugers are like! At least they are capable. My SP101 tuned up so very nicely, and was dead-reliable with small rifle primers. I'd hated to pay for the effort it took, but it cleaned up nice. One of my dumbest gun moves ever - letting that one go.

As for the Charters - I love the design. I'm something of a fan and my main/favorite/go-to revolver is a Charter - by choice. Again, not everyones cup 'o tea, but it's nice to run into run into someone once in a while who has a similar appreciation for them. They "are what they are," until you do a little "clean-up" inside. THEN, they are just plain sweet little revolvers. I have a special place in my heart for Charters.

I'll PM you a link on another forum, where a fella just posted some changes he made to a 3", 7-shot, 32 Mag Charter, which you may appreciate as well.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Well after reading Jeff's post a few points come to mind.

The first point brings me back to the Taurus, "either you get a good one or you don't", rule.
I hate to say it, but that just seems to be the way Taurus hits a price point.
I've experienced the problem of a trigger needing to "rock" the hammer reward before the trigger will release the hammer. That is clearly a sear/hammer geometry issue.
I had that problem on a Marlin 39A and a Star Super B. In both cases the solution was to correct the geometry so that the sear would safely hold the hammer but didn’t need to force the hammer back to release the hammer. That requires a lot of careful filing & stoning work to slowly get the correct angles and engagement.

As for worrying about the surface hardness of the parts you are stoning – Don’t worry about it. It SUCKS already. It is no good in its current configuration and there’s a good chance you can fix it. If you ruin the part, you haven’t lost a thing – it was already broken.

As for the front sight, that’s not a huge issue. You might lose the insert if you file the front sight but you either must learn to live with the low P.O.I. or fix it. There’s no in-between and fixing it isn’t the end of the world.

Yes, P&P, I'm right there with you on all points.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

As I have time, I plan to invest in a spring-kit, expecting the outcome to be misfires with the lighter hammer spring, but I'm going to try it anyway.

I'll also address the sear/trigger issue - very carefully, as there is very little metal there to work with - very much UNLIKE on a Ruger.

Funny thing about that front sight.... The tritium vial is not even visible with the top of the front sight even with the top of the rear sight - the vial is low, by about as much as I'm guessing it needs to be corrected by. Taurus actually included a very nice, clean, crsip, BLACK serrated STEEL, ramp insert in the box, but I've not measured the height as compared to the glow-bug sight already installed.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you have a solid plan.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that no spring kit is going to correct that SA trigger pull if the trigger is rocking the hammer back before it releases. That is just a straight up bad angle on the hammer where the sear engages. The only solution is to correct that angle by altering the hammer or replacing the hammer.

On the Star Super B that I wrote about, I could see the hammer being forced back during the trigger pull. Not only do you need to overcome the friction between the sear and the hammer BUT, you must also overcome the hammer spring. That's not a workable condition.

I am fully aware that some parts are only surface hardened and filing on them can get you down into softer metal. However, if the problem is a sear/hammer engagement angle so bad that the hammer is rocking backwards during the SA pull, you don’t have much to lose. Worst case, you buy a new hammer.

I wrote about that Star here:
 

hporter

Active Member
3", 7-shot, 32 Mag Charter
Jeff,

That has my interest too. Thanks for the link.

I missed out on buying a S&W J-frame .32 H&R while they were still in production, and the prices weren't in the stratosphere yet. I can't justify paying what they are asking for them now.

But I have been watching the .32 H&R Mag Charter Arms Undercoverette's on Gunbroker. They go for a reasonable price in my opinion. One of my morning Gunbroker email search results had a Charter Arms Professional on it. That raised my eyebrows with much interest.

I love my Ruger LCR in .327 mag. I wouldn't mind a small framed "friend" to keep it company in the safe. I have a bunch of .32 revolvers, but I just don't think a fellow can ever have enough?