Dang it....mould shopping

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Spindrift said: "I must admit, I have no particular protocol when changing powders- I just start shooting. I have never noticed any ill effects, but that might be because my standards are low."

Low standards, here, also.

In truth, my handloading efforts are in search of sub-MOA accuracy, and most of my ex-military riles are either there, or as both close they and I are capable of.
 

Intheshop

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Well,should've had a... sorta tongue in cheek emoji... on the "protocol".

Sorta. What starting with a pretty durn clean bore does,for me; First it's gonna show how quickly my lube(what tiny bit there is these days),"gets up to speed". Primarily a hunting issue,should the need to clear an abstruction like snow or mud,and/or... I hunt in driving rain so,cleaning and getting back in the X ring has to be figured out.

Next; Slow powders,at least in my experience can be a little dirty in the lower charge weights..... dry mopping and seeing/knowing about the barrel's innards cuts to the chase when working up loads.... so start from a clean condition,and monitor looking for patterns and frequencies.

Further; I wouldn't swear to it but,I don't think this action has been out of the stock? Pressure pad is still present and nuthin has been addressed bedding wise.... the rifle came out the box,got a proven Lyman 175 311041 load thrown in and started tearing up the X ring. So,being as there'd been probably 60 rounds through it since it'd been cleaned? Ehhh,wasn't that big of deal.
 
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Intheshop

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Two rigs are gonna be worked up with Varget,whilst it's on the bench. One is the '06 CDL(avatar) the other is a 22-250,stainless fluted bull brrl that I mated up to an old ADL action. Which,testing got suspended when I got that slow twist,weird arse 7-08 Savage brrl awhile back. The one I did those milled off the 130's to make 100's.

And,a brandy new RCBS 225 55 mould I've had for a year + and never fired it up. The Lee 225 55 was/is a peachy mold.... looking forward to using it.

IF,I was buying a mould/mold today..... think I want the RCBS 311 165 sil. And it too would see Varget,albeit in my older 308 R700V. I haven't tried the new Lee 150 in it because...... I know the factory throat is "lawyer'd" . It happens to like the 175 Lyman.... and I know folks are gonna call me a liar and that's OK but,I shot several.... like boardering on routine,10 shot groups @100 <1/2".... the best broke into the .3's...

But it was at 1800 fps. Need to rent it out to someone wanting to get on the podium at a CBA event. I tried to understand their rules and,well just never got wound up about it.
 
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Intheshop

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It was that.... here again,I had this 7mm RCBS mould sitting around.... never used it cause the Lee 130 was/is a perfect match for my daily driver,constant companion SPS 7-08.

I broke it in the RCBS 145 sil a few weeks ago and it casts,"fat".

So that's when I got to thinking about that 225 55 RCBS mould in inventory? If it casts fat,I think the 22-250 can use it? Fueled with Varget,on paper it should be way up on the velocity. Jumping right in the deep end of the velocity pool. "Starting loads" @ just under published JB stuff. Depending on the manual/resource.... 34g of Varget is 3400fps. I'm starting @30g..... this is why the RCBS mould enters the fray. Between it and the Lee.... dang it,one of them is gonna work. Got custom sizing equipment already in hand for this.
 
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fiver

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mine barely sort of barely makes 226 with 4% tin and 6?% antimony alloy.
really just right for most 22 cal rifles with a scuff size to seat the check.
 

Intheshop

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My Lee 22 drops .227 body with a .221 nose that gets up to,.222 juuuust before the first band.

GC sizes .2255.... and ONLY,the GC gets sized.
 
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Intheshop

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It,drops extremely close on the weights. And this new 309 150 Lee is.....maybe even a touch better on +/- weights. Grabbed a 1/2 dz today to load @34.5 thinking,what the hey,might as well act like I know what's up and weigh these. They were splitting the scale line close @151g,before GC.
 
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fiver

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nothing wrong with the mold it's just the size it gives.
when I weight sort I can just about tell them apart because of the .1gr weight difference.
I will get a bunch on the heavy side and a bunch on the light side and just about a dead on double pile of the same weight right in the middle of them.
 

CZ93X62

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mine barely sort of barely makes 226 with 4% tin and 6?% antimony alloy.
really just right for most 22 cal rifles with a scuff size to seat the check.

My edition of that mould does likewise in 92/6/2. Early stuff shows it to run nicely in 1-9" at 1700-1800 (223) and in 1-12" at similar speeds (22-250). Not CBA Nationals-class, but acceptable for rat-strafing and jack-whacking. In NV, anyway. (Yes, I am still P---ED about the copper bullet bit in the PRC)
 

fiver

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that's what Littlegirl was shooting through her 1-9 stag at the NVCBS, and was so mad about those 1-1/2" groups, we had them run up to around 2800 fps.

I had swapped out the 3x9 scope for a 4 power figuring she wouldn't shoot that rifle off the bench with cast and was just bringing it to go shoot sage rats with the home made 22lr jacketed bullets.
I thought she was gonna shoot the Ruger varmint rifle.
 

Intheshop

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Been out strafing the mnts on my M/C.....

I won't mention the guys name cause he's a touch fruit loop but,think well published M/C racing and high performance writer who did spend time on racetracks,yada flipping yada.

One idea he came up with is with your mental game.... concious vs subconscious. Once you've practiced something X amt of time it gets burned into the subconscious and if you've really good,you learn where the switch is. In my viewpoint,this is one of the more tangible ways to seperate,or describe the difference between an amateur and a professional. This is getting pretty durn close to shooting skills.

The idea,and not everyone "gets it".... but I'd ask you to try is. Thinking "with" the controls,not.... "about them". Pulling the trigger as part of a larger,subconscious process.....vs..... wondering if now is the time to yank it?

No shooting today but,probably hit the loading room with a cup of coffee later.
 

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Once read of an interesting test done on several Formula 1 drivers, either in the late '80s or early 90s. They were hooked up to a computer, blindfolded, and told to go through the motions of driving their cars, on the particular track of that weekend's race. Gas on, gas off, brake on, brake off, apex, turn-in, exit, clutch, gear selection, steering input, etc. The end result was that their test times were slower by mere tenths of a second from their practice lap times.
 

Intheshop

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"Timing" is a huge part of it..... how well you execute your pre shot routine,setup,or whatever you call it.

Me and the youngest used to watch hunting videos a LOT when all his brothers had left and it just him and me. We noticed that it seemed like it was always between that time of making the "concious" decision of this being a "shooter" buck,buffalo,etc and when they actually get the shot off....... is when it goes to heck.

In my view,these are timing mistakes or miscues. A pro,would hit the mental switch and go into auto pilot..... well,it ain't a whole lot different sitting at a bench shooting for groups,or in fivers case out blasting clays. Some guys are better natural shooters but it more often comes from lots of practice. Like I always say,talk chit or do chit. Sitting on the couch talking "about" something is never gonna be as good as participating.

Will also say, dry fire practice and taking it even further...... that metronome I bought a cpl years ago really took my shooting to another level.
 

fiver

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i guarantee if your thinking on the clay field your missing.
all you should be doing is your pre-shot routine and focusing on your target.
rifle shooting isn't exactly the same but if your thinking "NOW' for pulling the trigger it's too late to be pulling the trigger.

as far as flipping the switch to go, it isn't easy and if you lose it, it's even harder to get back.
it's like you elevate your blood pressure without really elevating it.
I'd call it like a slow controlled adrenaline release where things are heightened, but not so much you can't control it or you get the shakes from it.
[others call it getting psyched up, but you better not go that far when your shooting]
 

Intheshop

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I have learned a few things since last years heart attack,which resulted in a heart rate in the uppers 40's,low 50's..... as far as shooting my rifles.

The US Army team has pretty much all this stuff figured out and I would just foul up the "proper" terms for natural pauses,and breathing releases..... so,for those that want the technical terminology,go to their site.

Once you have the basic foundation burned in the subconscious you can then start practicing or fooling the system. Learn the difference of shooting "early" in the natural pause(heartbeats) and later. It's like practicing a "late turn in" when strafing on my bike. There's,early.... then there's the optimal....then there's "late". At some point everyone is gonna go into a turn..... or shoot a "condition".... a little too deep. If you've never practiced it,becoming comfortable..... well,there's a miss.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
They call that place Zen .

I don't shoot off a bench or trap range very well without about 3 cups of focus in every glass of calm . I have days when I'm blast furnace hot and others that I have to question whether the 10' berm is really enough . I miss a few in the field but quail are hard to shoot with duck steel loads .
 

Intheshop

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RB,we need a "Pro Mod" CB class..... factory barrel rifling(can't change the cal,that's stamped on)..... but anything else goes. Have weight penalty so sporters can run.

Google Joe Zolper '69 Dodge Daytona Pro Mod.