flat nose or round nose?

#1
this fall i hope to buy a cz 527 in 7.62x39. basically, i think, there will a come a time when i can't shoot big bores. i had a stroke about 6 years ago and it left me with my right arm/leg only about 20% good. i have killed many, many deer with my old m94 in thrutty thrutty. she's been retired but i still have her. anyway.......i have been using cast boolits for about 5 years. and every boolit is a flat nose design(wfn, lfn, fn). i was wondering if i would take a medium weight(150-170gr) round nose and 10 lead/1 tin, would this be ok for close cover(50 yards and less, but i'll say 150 yards and less) deer? or should i go flat nose?
 

Will

Well-Known Member
#2
I think the round nose will be ok as long as you push it up in velocity pretty good. Say over 2000fps.

A flat point will always be preferred but there are several ways around it. You could even try using a drill or one of the forester hp tools to put a small cup type hollowpoint in your hunting ammo.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
#3
flat nose.


as a side note.
you can lighten the bullet up for that 30-30.
sierra makes a nice flat point 125gr bullet that works extremely well for deer within 150yds.
and the 311359 is a pointy 30 carbine bullet that will match the flight of the jacketed bullet in the 30-30.
if your X39 has a 308-9 barrel they would also be a good option to reduce recoil without reducing effective range.

 
#4
i do have a forester hp drill bit somewhere??????

i "believe" that the cz is .311", but i'm not sure. i used a few 125gr fnhp to hunt deer with in my 30-30 and '06.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
#5
I have a 527 in .221 Fireball. Fun little rifles. One in 6.5 Grendel looks like a neat on. No real practical purpose, but, most the guns I own are not really "needed":rolleyes:
 

freebullet

Well-Known Member
#7
Mmm, I'd caution against the x39 in this instance. Reason being it kicks about as hard as the 3030, least our pair does.

Slap a Sims limbsaver recoil pad on, dial the load back a little, & keep using the old girl. A 223 or 22,250 will perform well at those distances, with Jax. Otherwise I'd pick big & slow, then deal with the rainbow.

For cast on game I'm using mostly hollow points or flat noses.
 
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Bret4207

St Lawrence river valley, NY
#8
I would always prefer a FN to a RN in a hunting bullet. It's not that RNs don't work, they do. It's just the FN works better, simple as that.
 

popper

Well-Known Member
#9
Sort of in the same boat with factory 30/30 stuff so I use a 170gr PB FP with 16gr 2400. about all the recoil I can take even with a limbsaver. 145gr PB FP in the BO over 2k fps isn't bad either.
 

Bret4207

St Lawrence river valley, NY
#10
Heavy bullets with a flat or blunt face, the larger the cal the better, seem to work pretty good even at 1-1.2K fps. It's not a dead right there type of thing, but if you put the bullet where it belongs they go down pretty quick.

You can also go to a heavier rifle to dampen recoil.
 

CZ93X62

Redlands, Kalifornistan
#11
I don't think there is much difference downrange between the 30/30 and 7.62 x 39 Soviet. In a cast hunting bullet--I want it all. Weight--diameter--flat point--and the front 1/3 of the bullet in pure lead. Bruce B Soft Point, AKA The Poor Man's Nosler Partition.
 

Intheshop

Well-Known Member
#12
Am sure you know this,just a note to those that maybe newer?

While a very sharp edge meplat does show up in terminal ballistics..... and can be used to vg effect. Make sure you test them if running them up or through, a magazine. Run'm up at different rates. You're looking for nose damage caused by feed ramps,which is not desirable on the bullet flight. Obviously loading single shot minimizes damage. Good luck with your project.
 
#13
Mmm, I'd caution against the x39 in this instance. Reason being it kicks about as hard as the 3030, least our pair does.
For cast on game I'm using mostly hollow points or flat noses.
but but but, i wanna 'nother rifle!!!!!!!!

i'm starting to see a flat nose is the way to go.
 
#14
I don't think there is much difference downrange between the 30/30 and 7.62 x 39 Soviet. In a cast hunting bullet--I want it all. Weight--diameter--flat point--and the front 1/3 of the bullet in pure lead. Bruce B Soft Point, AKA The Poor Man's Nosler Partition.
i'm all about the poor man's!!!!!!!
 
#15
Heavy bullets with a flat or blunt face, the larger the cal the better, seem to work pretty good even at 1-1.2K fps. It's not a dead right there type of thing, but if you put the bullet where it belongs they go down pretty quick.

You can also go to a heavier rifle to dampen recoil.
i've used a 30-40 krag with a 165gr ranch dog and they(deer) were all drt. i'm waiting for one to run. i know its going to happen.
 

Bret4207

St Lawrence river valley, NY
#16
i've used a 30-40 krag with a 165gr ranch dog and they(deer) were all drt. i'm waiting for one to run. i know its going to happen.
I doubt they were lumbering along at 1,000-1,200 fps out of a Krag. That was my point. Some of the old rounds, especially the older BP rounds (think 44-40) robably hit the target at those speeds and they killed stuff with them. I've killed a crap load of deer with 357 revolvers, not a lot more than those speeds at the muzzle and the ones out at 50-75 yards I'm sure it was down in the area I mentioned. They work, but it's different. Hope that clears up what I meant.
 
#17
I doubt they were lumbering along at 1,000-1,200 fps out of a Krag. That was my point. Some of the old rounds, especially the older BP rounds (think 44-40) robably hit the target at those speeds and they killed stuff with them. I've killed a crap load of deer with 357 revolvers, not a lot more than those speeds at the muzzle and the ones out at 50-75 yards I'm sure it was down in the area I mentioned. They work, but it's different. Hope that clears up what I meant.

yes sir, it sure does. i haven't chronyed my 44 mag (ruger sbh 4 5/8" barrel) but i like to take it slow. i don't even use 44 mag anymore, i like the 44spl in 250gr penta hp over 7.5gr of unique. i've killed several deer(under 50 yards) with that. i think the 250gr goes about 850fps+/-.
 

freebullet

Well-Known Member
#18
but but but, i wanna 'nother rifle!!!!!!!!

i'm starting to see a flat nose is the way to go.
I would never discourage getting another... just that x39 might not be any better for resolving those issues. Check out this comparison-
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Couple thing to notice right off.

That long neck on the 30 is super cast friendly.

The second major issue is the case taper. The x39 has way more, that creates way more bolt thrust. More bolt thrust will usually create more perceived sharp/hard feeling recoil. Heavy bolt thrust is one of the reasons the x39 has issues in the ar15 rifles.

But...do get another rifle of some kind :)!
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
#20
Interesting. I really like the X39 for taper, especially in the Handi-rifle. Only bought the NEF because I had a CZ, SKS and a custom 1903 Springfield in 7..62X39. Everything but the SKS shoots cast bullets well, cases fall out of the chamber and you get case filling loads. But like RB says, if I shot jacketed bullets, I would have to rethink that.