Flat Pointing .22 rimfire ammo

Petrol & Powder

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Anyone familiar with .22 rimfire knows that ammunition selection plays a huge role in the potential accuracy of a .22 rifle or .22 pistol.
There are many ways to improve the accuracy of a .22 rimfire gun but by far, the most productive method is to find the brand and type of ammunition your particular firearm likes. Simply finding the load that your gun shoots best can reduce group sizes by more than half. In terms of improving accuracy, nothing gives you more "bang for your buck". Once you find that load your .22 rimfire likes, buy as much as you can, sometimes even buying as much from the same lot as you can.

As we enter into yet another cycle of pre-election madness and shortages of all things gun related, I think we would do well to remember some old lessons learned.
If you can't acquire your favorite .22 rimfire ammunition, sometimes you can improve what you can find.

There are several tools available to flat point .22 rimfire ammunition. Flat pointing can improve the bullet's performance on small game BUT, there is an added benefit that sometimes accompanies that process. In the process of flat pointing a .22 bullet, the lead bullet may be slightly swaged to a larger diameter. Occasionally this process yields improved accuracy. So, if you cannot find your preferred .22 rimfire target ammunition, you may be able to substitute another brand/type by flat pointing the bullets in a specialty die.

Neal Waltz of Ohio made an outstanding die for this process.
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His workmanship is absolutely top notch.
The die includes a flat point tip and a hollow point tip.

There are other options but the die made by Mr. Waltz is the best I've found.
Years ago I found the CCI Small Game Bullet [SGB] was an outstanding cartridge for hunting. This load wasn't always available, so a flat pointing die was a useful tool to convert lead round nose .22 ammo into flat point bullets. The improved accuracy was a bonus. I've never used the hollow point feature (I don't see the sense in it) but that's an available option.

Just tossing this option out there for these difficult times.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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I think I have a PACO tool in a box somewhere.
it was used with a file to make SGB type ammo.

I picked it up along with a couple Rim thickness gauges. Tedious work...

But IIRC, it Worked pretty good too!

cw
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Years ago I shot with a guy that used a rim thickness gauge to cull out the bad cartridges when using cheap ammo. The results didn't equal buying high quality target ammo but by culling out the odd cartridges from several boxes, you could improve the overall groups.
He was rather frugal (read that as cheap) and his theory was the gauge was a one-time expense. He would buy the cheap ammo and sort through it.
In the end I would rather just buy better ammo but it did provide a low cost option.
He was a good shot, so maybe it paid off.
 

blackthorn

Active Member
A question:---I have an old Browning pump .22 rifle. It is marked for using .22 long cartridges. I have several thousand .22 LR on hand. Besides being cheaper than .22 long, which are sometimes hard to find, I seldom use the old pump but would like to. Now the question---if I were to shorten some .22 LR, would they function through the old pump well??
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I'll add another "prop" to the CCI SGB bullet form. Its effects on critters is markedly better than that of conventional RN 22 LR. 22 LR in HP form has been hard to come by for years in my part of CA--even after the more recent "shortages" played out. I think it just sells first.

While on the subject of rimfire ammo, I'll give another PLUS to CCI for their entire line of rimfire ammunition. I have 2 balky-feeding Steak & Lobster Cotillion Debutante 22 LR arms--an old Win 290 auto-loading rifle and a SIG Mosquito pistol. Both refuse to digest most ammo, cheep or pricey--but dote upon anything made by CCI--Blazer, Mini-Mag, or SGB. Performances like those endear you to the ammomaker, and to Ruger for their 10/22 and 22/45 models that EAT ANYTHING.

The SGB rounds are a mite costly, maybe one of those swagers might be worth the price of admission.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
A question:---I have an old Browning pump .22 rifle. It is marked for using .22 long cartridges. I have several thousand .22 LR on hand. Besides being cheaper than .22 long, which are sometimes hard to find, I seldom use the old pump but would like to. Now the question---if I were to shorten some .22 LR, would they function through the old pump well??
Cases are the same length. By reducing the length of the bullet just enough to function, it may shoot well in a long chamber and twist barrel. Never tried it so you are on your own.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
My preferred squirrel killer is Aguila subsonic HP. More accurate in my 10/22 than most LR ammo and it doesn’t blow them up like the hot 22 HP loads can.
I got it at a gunshows when it was around 15 for 500 rounds, must have 1500-2000 on hand?
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Bought a Paco "Accurizer" when he first made them to use in a 1933 S&W .22LR Outdoorsman. Thing had beautiful polished chambers .226" and wouldn't shoot anything but old black powder or les-smoke ammo. He made one for me that when flat pointing swaged the bullet up to .226"+ and it would work with cheap high speed ammo after that.
 

Spindrift

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I have a similar die that I found in a local shop here, in Norway. It’s probably made by some local machinist, no brand or logo on box or die. Beautifully machined from brass. It has a hollow point- and flat point insert (currently installed). I’m a little embarrassed to admit, I haven’t shot enough with the modified bullets to tell if it makes a difference in my rifle.... There was always some cast bullets that I had to test first :)

Thanks for the inspiration, I think I’ll give them a spin soon.
 

Petrol & Powder

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A question:---I have an old Browning pump .22 rifle. It is marked for using .22 long cartridges. I have several thousand .22 LR on hand. Besides being cheaper than .22 long, which are sometimes hard to find, I seldom use the old pump but would like to. Now the question---if I were to shorten some .22 LR, would they function through the old pump well??
HOW, would you shorten a 22 LR cartridge?
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
CCI still catalogs 22 Long ammunition, other makers might also. I don't think trying 22 LR ammo in a 22 Long-only firearm is a good idea, mostly due to overall length considerations and feeding questions of the longer cartridge in an action meant for shorter lengths. Pressure gradients are the same for all 22 Long and LR ammunitions--sub-sonic, standard velocity, high-velocity. This last is per SAAMI specs. I was surprised.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
HOW, would you shorten a 22 LR cartridge?
22 RF all cylindrical, case and bullet the same diameter. Cutting the bullet nose off to make a LR cartridge the same length as a Long. I would chamber a piece of steel for the LR ammo, face it off the length required, harden it and then use a file.
 

Petrol & Powder

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I don't think I'll be participating in making longs from long rifles.
While the casing of the long is the same length as the long rifle cartridge, the bullet of the LR is generally heavier (38-40 grains)
So even if you shorten the bullet, you will likely still have a larger powder charge in a LR than a Long.
I don't see the need to play with that when you can obtain factory loaded 22 Longs.
 

Bruce Drake

Active Member
A question:---I have an old Browning pump .22 rifle. It is marked for using .22 long cartridges. I have several thousand .22 LR on hand. Besides being cheaper than .22 long, which are sometimes hard to find, I seldom use the old pump but would like to. Now the question---if I were to shorten some .22 LR, would they function through the old pump well??
If you can shorten the .22LR bullet to match the 22 Long's 30gr roundnose bullet profile or recut the chamber's throat for the longer and heavier 22LR bullet, you can but the older rifle should be babied in my opinion.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I never read this as a way to use LR in a LONG... Maybe im misunderstanding...

The paco tool was made to produce more TERMINALLY EFFECTIVE ammo. By making it a wider meplat. AND "upping" diameter to more consistent diameter.

The rim thickness tool was to allow the user to sort by rim thickness to possibly find a more accurate ammo...

But woudnt be the first time I miss-understood the tac of a thread...

CW
 
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fiver

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no you got it right. [as far as I remember it's original intention anyway]
most all the 22lr ammo out there was pretty much all round nose stuff at one time.
now you can get hollow points, pre programmed bullets, and all sorts of weights and speeds.

if I were going to try shortening a bullet I think I'd look at a lighter hollow point design to begin with.