Fluid film

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Lanolin based as they describe it.

Yup, which explains the sheep smell. (Seriously, it DOES smell like a wool breed sheep smells on a hot day) There are a couple of others out there that have the same makeup, "Wool Wax" for one. Blaster, the outfit that makes PB Blaster, has one thats supposed to work even better but I haven't seen it, much less smelled it. I'm not a big fan of PB Blaster, which is more of a solvent than lubricant. 20 years ago the PB Blaster cans said right on them that it was made to soften harden, dried grease. Didn't say anything about lubrication.
 

Ian

Notorious member
PB blaster will rust high carbon tool steel in short order, ask me how I know. It's not that great of a rust penetrant, either.

I remember a salesman demonstrating PBB at the truck shop. One of their gimmicks is spraying it in a small styrofoam cup and showing how it eats through in a few seconds. I slipped out of the group and got a cap full of MEK out of the paint room, got a fresh cup, and demonstrated to the salesman how it poured into the cup and straight through the bottom without slowing down on its way to the floor. My boss then said to him "Let's see how your stuff works on these CAT turbo studs" and, well, a few days later we got them out with acetone and transmission fluid.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
When it comes to penetrating oil on rusted fasteners, I think everyone has their favorite based on a handful of successes. Having used many different brands, I'm not convinced any of them are significantly better than acetone/ATF.
Kroil seems to be good, and I keep it on hand anyway, but it's expensive.
I no longer buy WD-40 because I just don't care for the stuff. I still have 1/2 a can of PB Blaster on the shelf, left over from a project where I needed an aerosol can of oil.


Getting back to Fluid Film, if that is Lanolin based, I can understand how that would offer an alternative to a petroleum-based product for rust prevention. The end result is the same, you're trying to put a barrier between the metal and the oxygen in the air.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Amen Ian. I haven't tried Kroil yet, but that's reputed to be good. Acetone/ATF or Mineral Spirits/ATF or even Diesel/ATF works better than most of the canned penetrants I've tried. Liquid Wrench has some that's pretty good, but it's a lot of $$$ for what you get IMO. I'll stick with simple and cheap.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Warning - Huge, Shameless Promotion of Kroil to follow ;)

Out of the solvents/oils/grease I keep on hand for firearm related work, Kroil is one of the core products in that pack.

For cleaning barrels after shooting cast bullets, Kroil is what I turn to. When cleaning bores after shooting jacketed bullets, I still use a solvent with ammonia (Hoppes #9, Shooters Choice, etc.) but Kroil rules for everything else. And it's a good general cleaner for blued or stainless guns.

Iron molds that will be used again in a few days get Kroil as a short-term rust preventative. Yeah, you have to de-grease the mold, but it beats dealing with rust.

And Kroil is a decent penetrating oil, although rather pricy for that application.
 

Missionary

Well-Known Member
I use straight ATF. May have to wait a few minutes more but it does not bother the end results.
Acetone is near impossible to get here.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Ah, marijuana. I have always been ambivalent about the substance. All drugs (including alcohol) scare the daylights out of me. A whole lot of the problems that LE deals with are prompted by the use/abuse of these racing fuels, but I also know folks that benefit medically from the use of THC-based medications.

About 1/3 of career was spent as a narcotics officer. I was part of roughly 500 drug lab investigations, and a like number of MJ grows of 1 acre+ in size. I never found a booby trap in any drug lab, though given the chems present they were sort of like sub-compact Chernobyls in their own right. I found well over two dozen booby traps in dope grows, though--foot traps, punji stakes, treble hooks in monofilament at eye level (lots of those), and one shotgun trap found by a partner (safely). Lovely people, yes. About two years ago in the Anza/Aguanga area of my old county 7 Southeast Asian plot caretakers were murdered in cold blood in the middle of a substantial MJ cultivation, the likely perps were cartel sicarios. Again, just lovely people.

Just know that when you purchase these racing fuels that you are on some level supporting organizations and persons very much willing to kill people to continue their highly profitable sales of poisons to children and to adults of child-like minds, and to traffic humans for profit using the same smuggling routes and methods used to traffic their poisons.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
To echo Al, all the pot smokers rave about how benign it is, how everyone involved is peaceful and just wants some pizza. Hogwash. The growers and sellers I've been involved with are one step above child rapists and wife beaters in my book. Violent, sadistic and most career criminals. Some of those people are animals. But then so are the drunks and that's all perfectly legal. I don't have much use for a good portion of the worlds population in general I suppose.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I have always maintained that if you could somehow eliminate mind altering substances you could cut the size of police departments and their attendant costs by at least a half, probably much more.
One of the guys kept track for a whole year at our "hicks in the sticks" barracks and found something like 80% of our physical crime was alcohol or drug related.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
When I stored all my iron molds out in the shop they got a light coat of Fluid Film after each use. Works very well.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
One of the guys kept track for a whole year at our "hicks in the sticks" barracks and found something like 80% of our physical crime was alcohol or drug related.
While there is no doubt that a strong correlation exists between substance abuse and crime; there is some debate about the details of that correlation.
Do people of bad character have a greater likelihood of abusing substances OR does substance abuse cause poor behavior OR is it some combination of both?

I think it would be fair to say that many of the criminals in our society would still be people of bad character even in the absence of drugs, but the drugs certainly do not help the situation.
And then there's the mental health component. Do people with profound mental health problems self-medicate with illegal substances OR do the illegal substances cause the severe mental health issues?

I will say this with certainty; I've never seen illegal drugs improve the situation and I've seen substance abuse destroy people, including the people around the person abusing the substances.
 

Eagle223usa

Active Member
Bret, I don't have any experience with hot, wet sheep so I can't make a comparison. I have lots of experience with cosmoline encrusted Mausers. I bought lots of them when they were $69 a piece.
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I have lots of experience with both. Must be a personal judgement of what an odor resembles thing. Actually, when I think of cosmoline the first thing that jumps to mind is the smell of gas because that what we usually used to dissolve it!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The problem with facts , ie substance use equals misbehavior , is that without context it's just numbers . If the gross correlation between substance use and violence were accurate Vegas (1.6 million net metro) and Reno (about 350,000 net metro) would be hellish beds of lust and death , $5 in a machine gets you beer ,10 gets mixed drinks at full value , 20 ensures call drinks or more frequent refills .
Abuse of substance might be more valid but I'm frequently called an angry drunk these days . Maybe it just looks that way maybe I'm actually an unknowing alcoholic , we have a household total consumption of 4 drinks/month/annually .

In the 8th health class it was stated in about as many words that if alcohol touched your lips a second time and you liked it you were and alcoholic . Kind of extreme I think as a definition .

I've known a lot of alcoholics both recovering and active that were about as good as people come , it doesn't take me long to pick out the closet alcoholics either . I've also known some people that were good as gold until that second beer hit bottom lower colon sphincter doesn't even begin to describe them .
I've known folks deeply invested in their church , Puritan in heart and mind that were the coldest most brutal opinionated burro borrows I've ever seen in my life and absolutely unwavering in how right they were and how wrong you are even when you're in agreement of the major but not of some minor point . Most of them I think are public service folks and likely closet alcoholics .
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I come from a long line of alcoholics. Booze, drugs, sex, whatever the crutch is it tends to bring out the worst in people. Doesn't matter if it's the pillar of the community or the trash in public housing, they can all be good or bad or both depending on the particular situation. Put some money or male/female issues in the mix and it's Katy, bar the door! No one is immune from what I've seen, especially that guy I see in the mirror!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
No judgement .
Vegas is has a pedestrian v MV about once a week with alcohol involved . 40+ of 52 the MV is the victim not the aggressor .

We all struggle with a vice some less productive than others .