"Four Quarters" bullet lube

Ian

Notorious member
Green.

ETA, missed that first post on the next page, fiver.

Pete's the only one I know of to have any luck in the accuracy dept. with AG. Stuff always gave me flyers, badly.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
OK, Green Firm tack Assemblee Goo, they have it at a nearby O'Reilly's for $9.

Did somebody say that Vaseline isn't the same as it used to be?
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Bill, those guys are the experts when it comes to lubing a tranny.......

I need to try Pete's recipe but it is towards the bottom of my need to do list. That list keeps growing and growing.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I'll bet that Ian's is growing way faster......and squalling louder when neglected, too. :p

I am pleased with the RedMax lube I made, may stick with it, but this sounds pretty easy, plus only
the AGoo Green needed to buy.

Bill
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
it is.
the AG is another one of those things that seems right but for some off the wall reason caused a problem.
we searched and searched for something just like it then we found it and it proved unsuitable.
it keeps nagging at me to try it in place of vasoline in my simple lube just to do a side by side.
 

Ian

Notorious member
She's adorable, though. :D

Ugh. Lubing trannies, yeah. Bill, the AG is actually used for two things when building automatic transmissions. One, it's a very high viscosity oil (or soft wax, depending how you look at it, either way it has LOOOOOONNNg HC chains) and is used to provide a protective film on the delicate lips of automatic transmission piston seals during installation. Usually installation is effected with a wire loop or feeler-gauge-like tool expressly for the purpose and it's easy to nick a lip and have an expensive failure in short order. The goo is like an extra layer of protection to help keep that from happening. The other thing, and this makes it indispensable for many purposes, is an adhesive to stick thrust washers, loose bearing rollers, sprag elements, check balls, and all sorts of fiddly bits in place until final assembly. Once the unit reaches 130° or so, the goo melts and dissolves into the ATF. You NEVER want to use axle or chassis grease for this because the soap matrix plugs up fluid filters.

I wanted to use the AG in soap lube in place of Vaseline because it's a paraffin (not slippery), can take the heat, and is loaded with all sorts of anti-oxidants and anti-corrosion additives. AI keeps the oil/wax from oxidizing and AC keeps metal from corroding. We were searching for a middle modifier to plasticize waxes without making the lube too slick. Great plan except it didn't work. After a whole bunch of "provocation/elimination" we finally isolated AG as the cause of flyers and general unpredictability. Of course I was using like 30%, so there's that.
 
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Pistolero

Well-Known Member
30% vs 2%, whole 'nother zip code.

Seems like 4Q is worth trying.

I'm amazed you get as much done as you do with that cute little distraction.

Bill
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
That cute little distraction is at an easy age. It doesn't require much in the ways of time. It isn't involved in activities outside the home. It doesn't talk or do much. Yet.

Late elementary to middle school is when time becomes a major factor. Lots more going on in the life of the little distraction and suddenly it gulps time from you in huge amounts.
 

Ian

Notorious member
been trying to post for 30 minutes but little distraction has taken both hands while wifey showered and cleaned up the kitchen, have one hand free-ish now. tell me again about this free time thing again................
 

Eutectic

Active Member
A small amount of Assembly Goo (2%) seemed to better control 'purge' fliers which the ester oil addition in my 4Q can aggravate! That's why I use it. A lot of Blue Grouse have met their demise lately.... Had to have been the 4Q lube:rolleyes:

My old computer died or I would have commented sooner.

Pete
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I don't know where our grouse have gone.
I seen 2 so far and they must have been from a late re-nest, they weren't even as big as a pigeon.
I let them keep going on their way.
all the rain and the bow hunters haven't helped a bit either.
maybe next week [shrug]
 

Chris

Well-Known Member
A small amount of Assembly Goo (2%) seemed to better control 'purge' fliers which the ester oil addition in my 4Q can aggravate! That's why I use it. A lot of Blue Grouse have met their demise lately.... Had to have been the 4Q lube:rolleyes:

My old computer died or I would have commented sooner.

Pete

Pete, I have your recipe for 4Q and intend to make it soon using it as a basis for experimentation. I am particularly interested in cold weather lubes and first shot accuracy, as you are.

Could you give me your opinion on colors/brand of assembly goo? I've got some light blue (brand unknown) but will buy what you recommend.

Chris
 

Eutectic

Active Member
Chris,

Mine is "Dr. Tranny's" Assembly Goo I got at either Napa or CARQUEST. It is the green colored one. It's the only brand I've used and works OK at low percentage for me.

Pete
 

Grump

Member
JonB:
I'll take you up on that offer. One stick will be plenty. My plan is to A/B with standard velocity .45 and .38 loads, maybe .357 level, and just maybe some .30 Carbine. Comparison will be with Tac-1.

IMO, the high-velocity testing of 14 or so lubes over on the NOE bullets site went into Uber-extreme with 2500+ fps velocities. To me, that test proved that speeds above maybe 2200 fps with lead enter a whole different realm, apologies to Thor.

I still have some of what I remember as a "version" of Ben's Red from the other site's thread on soap lubes being hygroscopic (Now THAT was a frustrating test!) but I'm not sure it should be the "C" portion of what I hope to do over the next two months. I can look up who was kind enough to send it to me back in the SL-61 days and how it deviates in some small way from "true" Ben's Red, but...there are multiple reasons to not put it in the dataset. I could be persuaded though.
 

Grump

Member
Ah, it was most likely Fiver who sent me that version of Ben's Red. It might have been with or just before or just after those small-caliber slugs he gave me with...SL-61.1-ish lube. Testing was in an LMT shorty that was a good shooter and I *think* I remember the loads would just barely cycle that AR.

I still have five rounds loaded I just haven't sent downrange. There are some cans here that need killin' though.