Freeing suppressors from regulation

If/when I can pick one or 3 up at Walmart like a Simmons/Tasco 3-9×40 I likely will pick up 22,30,45 cal .

As to results the percentage of criminal use will probably be equal to the increase in legal use . At first it will probably be higher at first but concealment and portability will ultimately be the make/break .

Integrated suppression may have a significant impact where long guns are used , but those aren't likely to be throwaways so there's that as a user's choice .

Many yrs ago I saw a bit about a paratrooper style AK fitted with an 18" barrel and pistol length gas and a shroud type around a cross drilled barrel. There was a trap gun done as well. Performance was about equal to a ported 18" riot type with a 28" barrel OAL.
The 10/22 ilk is ready for production and has been for a long time. Buyers in the match bull and carbon wrap barrel price class will likely be heavy buyers .

I would also think that there will be a huge back order surge , followed by a market glut , then ad wars and caliber specific parts kits with the eventual standardized 3 or 4 threads and case inside diameters.

We will also see a depressing number of injuries from a guy using an oil filter adapter intended for a maximum x39 application and wondering why the filter proofed with his 300 RUM or WM .
Of course we will see dozens of complaints about this one or that one not being very quiet and what a waste of money it was .
 
Now that the tax is removed, the NFA is going to be dismantled all together. The SCOTUS has already ruled that the only way they can have the NFA is because it is a tax. Now that that is removed, it is just a registry. And that has already been ruled on that they can not have a registry. GOA is already waiting to file a lawsuit against them for this as soon as DT signs the bill.

It is going to take a couple of years but hopefully before DT leaves office.

All suppressors are is a muffler. You don't have to pay a tax to put one of them on your car do you? The US is actually far behind on this issue compared to many other countries. A few it is mandatory you use one.
 
Been following this.
According to the big beautiful bill. After it has been re written a couple times. There will be a time after the signing that you still have to go thru the paperwork, then register. But no tax is charged.
Now GRA is filing a law suit to take the registration and filing away. Because since it is no longer taxed, it is no longer justified.
However several congressmen are trying to put together a bill to reinstate the tax and charge more.
This will all have to be hatched out in court. After the signing.
Myself I am planning on making or buying one, when I can file and register without paying the tax. During the initial time period after the bill becomes active.
Since I live in Ohio and our rule says it must be registry with the ATF.
 
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Tomme pretty much said it all. I've been following this daily for months and it was like watching the slaughterhouse floor being squeegeed into the hot dog vat. Anyway, the issue will now have to be pressed in the court system, although to secure Clyde's and Johnson's vote to pass OBBB without the HPA and SHORT, Trump personally promised some unknown secret stuff that will likely involve the Executive powers and DOJ powers, so just sit tight and keep those emails going to your reps.

Remember, unless there is a federal-level, absolute ruling (scotus) or legislative change (congress) specifically undoing the registry, the tenth amendment still acknowledges the powers of the states and their people to further regulate things as they see fit. Currently, some states have laws stating suppressors etc. are only legal if registered federally, which complicates things in those states if the registry goes away because currently registered items would then instantly become illegal under those state's laws.

In my state, suppressors are free to have or make without being registered at all, although still federally required to be registered. Only the feds can prosecute violations. The reason for that is preemptive so that if the registry goes away, there is no state law tied to it that would cause a legal trap. Washington state is the opposite, per previous paragraph.
 
What I understand is just the Tax has been reduced on Suppressors, Short Barrel Shotguns(SBS) and Short Barrel Rifles(SBR). The Old tax was $200 per weapon. Not sure if it will go to $0 or whatever. Suppressors are the largest volume line item of weapons registered in the NFA Registry. So it accounts for most of the $ in the door every year to support the government entity or at the minimum justify its existence. I don't know for a fact that the tax collected is used by that entity for its operations. It appears at this point that the Registration is still required for the 3 classes of NFA weapons stated above. If the registration drops too, you will see a lot of dealers give up their SOT(Special Occupation Tax) as most of the transfers and sales will no longer require the SOT to be involved in the purchase and transfer. That would be another revenue hit for the NFA Division as dealers dropped the SOT from their Licenses(From the FFL).
I'm an SOT. I pay the $500 per year for tax exemption for buying and selling suppressors and other NFA weapons to and from other SOT's like manufacturers, etc. So the only thing left for me to do transfers on would be machineguns and so few of those are transferred I'd just drop the SOT from my license. Lots of changes we just have to see how it pans out. I've heard so many versions of what the bill means I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll wait and see

Bruce
 
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What I understand is just the Tax has been reduced on Suppressors, Short Barrel Shotguns(SBS) and Short Barrel Rifles(SBR). The Old tax was $200 per weapon. Not sure if it will go to $0 or whatever. Suppressors are the largest volume line item of weapons registered in the NFA Registry. So it accounts for most of the $ in the door every year to support the government entity or at the minimum justify its existence. I don't know for a fact that the tax collected is used by that entity for its operations. It appears at this point that the Registration is still required for the 3 classes of NFA weapons stated above. If the registration drops too, you will see a lot of dealers give up their SOT(Special Occupation Tax) as most of the transfers and sales will no longer require the SOT to be involved in the purchase and transfer. That would be another revenue hit for the NFA Division as dealers dropped the SOT from their Licenses(From the FFL).
I'm an SOT. I pay the $500 per year for tax exemption for buying and selling suppressors and other NFA weapons to and from other SOT's like manufacturers, etc. So the only thing left for me to do transfers on would be machineguns and so few of those are transferred I'd just drop the SOT from my license. Lots of changes we just have to see how it pans out. I've heard so many versions of what the bill means I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll wait and see

Bruce
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Tax is reduced to $0 on sbs, sbr, and silencer. Not sure about aow but I think them too. Machine guns unchanged, all other legal requirements and processes are unchanged.
 
I am sure some will disagree with me, and some will really disagree. The idea of a prohibited possessor being able to purchase one without any oversight does not sit well with me. Yes, by all means lighten up on the restrictions, but have some common sense. Make the purchaser complete a 4473 either in person at an FFL dealer with the appropriate NCIS check or some sort of on-line process with the manufacturer. Something, but not a 7-11/ Circle K purchase on the south side of Chicago or Compton. Same penalties should apply as for unlawful possession of a firearm. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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they could buy one all they wanted.
who threads glock barrels, and makes a low slung holster to keep the end of the muffler from dragging on the cement?
 
Think we're pushing the political argument boundaries here.
Please be careful guys. I am enjoying this thread. And looking forward to further discussions, and updates. I would hate to see it shut down.
 
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The argument that "bad people" will come out of the woodwork, and use suppressors for deviant purposes, just because they became legal for the rest of us - without the BS that is the NFA - doesn't hold any more water than the argument that stricter laws on the possession of handguns and rifles will keep the nefarious evil doers from using firearms for evil purposes. That's the logic used by the left to try to restrict our second amendment rights.
A suppressor is an accessory to the firearm. It is not a firearm. If they can't have the firearm legally, and that legality was the reason they didn't have it, then they wouldn't have a use for the suppressor. Unfortunately, we all know that whether it's legal or not legal, is not a deterrent to the criminal element. They are after all - criminals!
The same goes for SBR, SBS, and AOW. If they want them, they don't let a little thing like "is it legal?" stop them.

The only ones playing the "is it legal?" game, are us law abiding citizens.
 
The whole "it's a firearm....., wait, no it is just an accessory--wait, no really it's a firearm! Just kidding, no it's not..." thing is so mired up in the courts and regulations that no one really knows the best way to proceed on that point. We just saw a 5th circuit opinion reversal on that very thing.

The original question here was now what that the tax is zero and thus the registration part is now conspicuously hanging in the breeze. It's a problem, and a big one. Originally, the NFA could only be passed as a tax, kind of a loophole in the system that then required registration as proof of that tax paid and without it, you were in trouble with the IRS. Any other way and the NFA would have been a direct 2A violation and congress knew that very well at the time. Now that the tax is zero, well, all we have is the unconstitutional registration requirements which are blatantly illegal.

We'll just have to keep chipping away at the problem through our juggernaut of a system little by slowly from all angles until this shakes out in a more constitutional manner. I think this can still be fixed to restore constitutional freedom, but it is going to take a marathon effort to elect and appoint people who have the fortitude to stick their necks out and actually follow through on their sworn oath to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to bear true faith and allegiance to it, and to faithfully discharge the duties of their office."
 
I'm just not sure I understand whst the appeal of having one is? I just don't see how owning one would make anything I do with guns any better and just the idea of some big, awkward thing hanging on the muzzle of an otherwise aesthetically pleasing gun. I guess if playing with gadgets is how one gets his jollies, knock yourself out, I just don't understand what the big deal is.
 
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richhodg66 said:
I'm just not sure I understand whst the appeal of having one is? I just don't see how owning one would make anything I do with guns any better and just the idea of some big, awkward thing hanging on the muzzle of an otherwise aesthetically pleasing gun. I guess if playing with gadgets is how one gets his jollies, knock yourself out, I just don't understand what the big deal is.
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At one time I did a lot of "Walking varminting" in agricultural areas. A lot of the area ended up being closed because it scared the farm animals, especially sheep. Farmers liked the varmints gone, but not the shooting. I'm hoping a 32/20 with suppressor would be quite enough to let me go back to those areas.
 
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