Freeing suppressors from regulation

I'm figuring the tax will be replaced by a fee. Most of these agencies are required to generate enough revenue to cover the cost of program administration...

I don't THINK I'm talking politics by saying this, but if so, I will delete my post.

Lawyers are already arguing that registration was because of the tax and now that the tax is gone (or is it?), they intend to argue for eliminating the registration part. No telling how it will get twisted, because the tax is now $0, but is it still a tax even if its value is $0.

I won't even try to predict the outcome on this one, but it was interesting that the argument that kept it in the finance bill was specifically because of the tax.


I did notice too that the $0 tax won't start until January. I wonder if the sale of suppressors will be weak for the rest of the year. If the registration part goes away, I will be looking for a Ruger MKII 22 auto-pistol and a short 357 Mag Contender barrel. My butt is sore for just missing one at auction for $200, but I hesitated, waiting to see what was going to happen.
 
I need to check. I think in Louisiana we have an additional $200 state tax, what I was told years ago.
 
Some folks with lathes will have quite a surge in business if suppressors and SBRs become easier (an likely less expensive) to get.

Not everyone's cup o' tea, but don't rule out the possibility of becoming a convert. It's much easier to rationalize lack of need with the egregious impositions attached to owning one legally - cost, wait time, invasion of privacy, concern over under-educated people who are frightened by them, etc.

@RicinYakima 's point about quiet varminting is a big motivator for me. Varmints/vermin have been waging a constant battle with me and my property for decades and usually (though not always), they show up in the wee hours. I and my neighbors are accustomed to hearing gun-fire in the daylight hours. A dairy farmer and his brothers just a couple miles away shoot some big stuff and some class III stuff, there is the occasional "pop-pop-popper," who burns up a box of fifty nines in a minute or two, but gun-fire at night can be worrisome and disconcerting to those around me. Besides, I don't care for the attention and hate noise. I've always avoided big boomers anyway and the older I get, the more averse I am to noise.

The arm does not HAVE to be long and bulky. This is where the SBR thing is important. A 6" or 10" 32-20. 357 Mag/38, 9x19 barrel is PLENTY for sub-sonic use. Remember, if you want it quiet, you want to stay sub-sonic. Longer barrels just add velocity. My 18" 357 Mag barrel is too long to make many 38 Special loads sub-sonic. A 10" barrel and an 8" can sums up to an 18" overall length for the tubular portion of the arm. My 18" 357 Mag Contender Carbine, with a 18" barrel, is only two inches longer than my 24" 30/30 Contender Carbine, and it's a tad lighter. I WANT to find a 10" 357 Mag barrel and make it shorter overall, but that'd be whatever the barrel costs, another $100-plus for threading, $200 for a SBR stamp and all the associated hassles thereof.

The "PFUTTT" report does not alert and warn other nearby varmints/vermin and the ones who are on the receiving end seem to be much less dramatic about expiring. I think one could almost see a parallel with archery-hunting in some respects.

Gas checks may or may not be OK in a can, but I won't do it. Since I intend for my suppressed loads to be sub-sonic, there is no need for GCs. I don't use them on a lot of super-sonic loads anyway - at least handgun rounds. I took up PCing when I submitted my paperwork for the can and got wonderful results - very pretty bullets. For me, it's more hassle than tumble-lubing, but I'm not going to argue about that and I don't have room for baskets in the oven I have. I also ran into rather weird and dramatic problems with PC, which I cannot explain, but which finally TOTALLY went away when I stopped using it in the suppressed carbine. It was a "cleaning issue," which I'll try to share at some point, but it was a long and involved process sorting it out.

Lead in my can? Well, not so much that I can't deal with it fairly quickly and easily. Since I don't clean the can spic and span, rather just enough that it won't be able to disassembled at some point, the built-up carbon crates a layer that seems to keep the lead from sticking and building up. In a spotlessly clean can, yes, lead will stick tenaciously - to the face of the first baffle and that's it. No PC, NO GCs - no problem.

Several people to whom I've handed a suppressed 357 Mag carbine to looked at it doubtingly at first, but humored me and shot it. At the first shot, they all turn and look at me with a huge grin and want more. Not folks here, but many, MANY who don't handload (let alone cast) have no idea how effective slow cast bullets with the right nose profile can be. I RARELY (actually never any more) have a need for bigger, faster, louder loads for pretty much anything I do. It's dead-flat here, with few terrain features and more and more houses keep popping up (where do they get the money??) all around, which makes me less and less inclined to shoot anything very fast or flat-shooting any more.

If I get a free five minutes and take a notion to shoot a few rounds, I don't have to warn my wife that I'm going to shoot. Stuff I used to shoot was LOUD, even in the house and even when it was 50 yards away from the house. Even when shooting with a bunch of people, I'm sure we've all been caught off guard when someone lets one go when we weren't expecting it.

These reasons TO may not be enough for many or most, but they work for me. I'm enjoying the crap out of mine and don't think I've shot anything BUT the suppressed carbine in the two-plus years since I got it.
I don't THINK I'm talking politics by saying this, but if so, I will delete my post.

Lawyers are already arguing that registration was because of the tax and now that the tax is gone (or is it?), they intend to argue for eliminating the registration part. No telling how it will get twisted, because the tax is now $0, but is it still a tax even if its value is $0.

I won't even try to predict the outcome on this one, but it was interesting that the argument that kept it in the finance bill was specifically because of the tax.


I did notice too that the $0 tax won't start until January. I wonder if the sale of suppressors will be weak for the rest of the year. If the registration part goes away, I will be looking for a Ruger MKII 22 auto-pistol and a short 357 Mag Contender barrel. My butt is sore for just missing one at auction for $200, but I hesitated, waiting to see what was going to happen.
 
Jeff...... The ruger 22 is a blast suppressed. It will surprise you how hard a little 22 LR hits something. When you can hear the impact.
What cast bullet do you prefer to shoot suppressed in your 357 carbine? For your wildlife control. A suppressed,357 or 38 special barrel would be awesome. Try and find a MGM barrel, mine 357 barrel has a long throat. I can seat and chamber a 220gr cast rifle bullet in mine. It for sure will let you use heavier bullets than you would guess.
 
The 22 LR CAN be very effective. I have bought no other 22 LR ammo since the nineties, other than the cheap Federal "Value Pack," with the pseudo-hollow-point, but I have clipped the "point" off to make them RFNs. These are VERY effective, compared to other 22LR bullet profiles and they have reliably stayed sub-sonic in 4" (or shorter) barrels for me. I have a bunch of them yet, because I stopped shooting 22 LR after the last two "panics" and the ensuing treachery.

Still, a softish 35 caliber bullet of about 158 grains and with a decent meplat at 450 to 950 fps, there's no contest.

I've tried to narrow things down to ONE 357 bullet for all 'round use, but still use several moulds. The one I intend to be the best-balanced for most uses turns out to be the MP 358-165 RFN/LG-HP/SM-HP/CUP/PENTA* mould, but I only use the large HP and RFN. The RFN weighs 169 grains using wheel weights. The large HP weighs 158 grains using pure lead/PC'd.

Aside from the fact that the LEE 358-148 TLWC is so LOUD on impact that it negates the intent of the suppressor, that would likely be my favored sub-sonic "work" load.

The NOE 360-180 WFN (plain-based) and the Ranch Dog 360-190 RFN both do very well, but are a lot ore lead than necessary for what I'm doing. I have not used the RCBS 35-200, mostly because it's more lead than I need and these loads must also fit into either of my 357 DA revolvers.

*The MP 358-165 provides a slight edge over three other 35s I've used extensively and effectively replaces all three. The LEE 358-158 TLSWC, 358-158 RFN and the Arsenal 358-158 TLRFN are all just dandy 357 bullets for a general-purpose, 'round the homestead bullet in the 357 Mag, but the MP 358-165 RFN has a slightly wider meplat than any of the others and a slight edge in mass without going over-board. It's a darned good-looking bullet and using the brass MP mould is rather a pleasure,... most times. Sized or unsized, this bullet is perfectly suited to my Lyman 310 setup, with the specific expanding and bullet-seating dies I have accommodating it perfectly, so not jockeying or modifying dies - simple setup.
 
The bullet impact noise usually surprises anyone the first time they experience a "movie quiet" suppressed system. Even my sand trap emits quite the "THUD" when absorbing bullets. .22LR is still likely the best of all worlds for short range varmint dispatching, less bullet impact noise than larger bullets and pretty easy to get the muzzle report down to just about nothing. I noticed that my subsonic loads for my AR15 using cast, powder coated wheelweight bullets have less bullet impact noise than standard RN .22LR and I suspect that is due to less expansion of the nose (harder alloy) when hitting stuff.
 
The bullet impact noise usually surprises anyone the first time they experience a "movie quiet" suppressed system. Even my sand trap emits quite the "THUD" when absorbing bullets. .22LR is still likely the best of all worlds for short range varmint dispatching, less bullet impact noise than larger bullets and pretty easy to get the muzzle report down to just about nothing. I noticed that my subsonic loads for my AR15 using cast, powder coated wheelweight bullets have less bullet impact noise than standard RN .22LR and I suspect that is due to less expansion of the nose (harder alloy) when hitting stuff.
That's exactly right, as well as with a PCP @ 950fps the THUD is quite noticeable. It's amazing the impact and resultant hole it makes in a Squirrel with a .22 cal pellet (15gr of pure lead).
 
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Just a bit more news about the change about the NFA tax on SBRs & Suppressors effective Jan. 1, 2026:

That would remove an unnecessary, busy-work burden on law enforcement. I "bothered" my Sheriff for the CRFFL with an apology that I had to bother him with something so dumb. He responded immediately and positively, having form letters typed up and he doesn't see it until it hits his desk for a signature. Efficient. When I bought my can, the vendor did my trust and contacted my Sheriff.

I like the guy (my Sheriff), but he's busy and has an incredibly important job, so I try not to bother him.
 
Our sheriff at the time I was first looking at acquiring and making cans refused to sign off on any in our county, so I backdoored him by having an NFA attorney draft a trust to which everything would belong. 41P removed that requirement anyway, not sure why the new legislation was needed.