Glock Question

Petrol & Powder

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If we assume this is true, "According to an Internet search, only Texas and Florida residents have more guns than Californians. " (and I see no reason to doubt it).
Then it's just numbers. Texas has fewer people than California but higher gun ownership. Florida has fewer people than California, but higher gun ownership.

You don't have to live in California to comprehend basic math.
 

Rick H

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California has a larger economy than all but 5 nations in the world. Excluding the US only Japan, China, England and Germany are larger. In 2020 alone there were 1,465,612 background checks performed for private citizen gun purchases and those numbers don't include person to person and institutional purchases.

While I searched for data on weapon sales in Europe, England, and Germany they are remarkably absent across the net, but US sales are splashed all over. If you rule out the totalitarian China, and consider the attitudes on gun ownership in England, Japan, and Germany: Those who ignore the California market are ignoring a larger market than any other country in the world, other than the USA.

My point is, that while California's outlook on private ownership of guns may be something less then desireable by Texas, Florida, or even Michigan standards, it is head and shoulders above those other countries and in fact a larger potential sales market than any other country in the world other than the USA as a whole.

"California’s Gross State Product (GSP) in 2015 was $2.589 trillion according to the United States Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). In comparison, the World Bank’s 2015 nominal GDP figures were:

  • United States: $18.036 trillion
  • China: $11.007 trillion
  • Japan: $4.123 trillion
  • Germany: $3.363 trillion
  • UK: $2.858 trillion"
 
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Petrol & Powder

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We're not talking about the rest of the world, we're talking about California verses the rest of the U.S.A.

And we're not talking about gross national product of other nations verses the gross state product of California. We talking about gun ownership in California verses gun ownership in other states.
The gross national product of Saudi Arabia is probably higher than the gross state product of Alabama but I bet there are more guns in private hands in Alabama. You have to stay focused on what you are measuring.

If you're going to toss out "1,465,612 background checks" for California in 2020, you have to also provide the number of background checks for other states in the same time period.

SO - getting back on track here. Glock sells pistols in all 50 states. California restricts which models Glock can sell there. It's worth it to Glock to continue to make Gen 4 models specifically for the California market while also making Gen 5 models for sales in the other states. The California market is big, but it may not be big enough for Glock to make two versions of anything other than its best selling models.

Glock may decide that they don't sell enough Model 20 pistols to make TWO versions (Gen 4 and a Gen 5) just to satisfy California requirements. They MAY decide to simply continue making the Gen 4 version so that they can sell it across the entire U.S. market.
Glock sells a lot more pistols chambered in 9mm than they sell pistols chambered in 10mm. They are going to concentrate their production towards their best selling models.

I never said the California market wasn't worth operating in.
 
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david s

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And that's only the southern half of California's economy. Saw a list of background checks numbers listed by each state in an article by the WALL STREET JOURNAL a week or so ago. The total number of checks was somewhere around 39,000,000. Montana was like number 14 with 18,000 or so checks. The second to top state was over 300,000 checks the state with the largest number of checks Illinois with over 1,400,000 checks. It was 1,097,000 more checks than it's next closest state. I took the numbers to work to show a friend because it didn't make any sense. It's hard to be a more anti gun place with more hoops to jump thru than Illinois. And if were "going to get back on track here" how about an answer to the original question? What spare parts would you put up for a model 20.
 

CZ93X62

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Why? The THOUSANDS of factory-trained & periodically-updated armorers in place all over the USA. Not only can they obtain replacement parts under discussion here, but can install them as well--often while you wait, resulting in no entry in a gunsmith's/armorer's bound-book. No other pistol make extant in the country has that kind of factory support, and no other make is even close.
 

Petrol & Powder

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To answer the question, "how about an answer to the original question? What spare parts would you put up for a model 20."?

I answered that already. But here it is again, - Another complete pistol.

If you're concerned that the pistol may break in the future and parts may be difficult to obtain, the only solution is a second pistol. I'm not being glib with that response. There's no way to predict what could break. You can try to predict the common parts that fail or wear out but the only 100% insurance is a second pistol. The second best option would be all of the parts other than the receiver.
 

popper

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My only association with Glock was the 17, to prove to Secret Service it was detectable by metal detectors. Don't own one, never shot one. Nothing 'wrong' with them. Don't own a 45 or 1911 either. Did shoot one once, gave it back to the Marine.
 

CZ93X62

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We have 5 of Gaston's Plasticating Gaspipes (so far). We haven't broken any of them yet, one (the 23) got re-furbed last year, with a 1.5 kg OEM trigger.