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hporter

hporter

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Petrol & Powder said:
The absolute, rock bottom, least of your concerns – will be what happens to that gun.
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That is a very true statement.

But if I were to ask myself a single question, "would I be upset if the authorities kept this particular firearm for many years?", it is very simple to answer.

And that simple answer helps the decision making process of what to put into the nightstand gun safe. Hopefully I will never find out what happens after I am forced to use it. But I can and will think about what to use, if put in that situation.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Walks said:
Maybe I should switch out My Ruger STS Service-6 for My old G23. I think I would much rather lose an easily replaceable G23 then a Revolver that hasn't been made in about 35yrs.
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While I have my pocket revolver on me, it is almost impossible to drive and reach it. In the drivers door pocket is a black plastic 9MM of some sort for my left hand. It lives under a red shop rag, as it can not be visible when I open the door. It works well rattling around in there, and gets a magazine fired once a year. A revolver would require a lot more maintenance, like the one in my pocket.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Pants with cargo pockets work very well when sitting. Pocket is much lower than the main pocket. It's a rare time when I'm not wearing trail pants/shorts.
 
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Bisley

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Petrol & Powder said:
If you are forced to fire a gun to defend yourself or to defend someone else, you will have a lot of concerns. The absolute, rock bottom, least of your concerns – will be what happens to that gun. The temporary seizure of a firearm wouldn’t even register on my worry meter.

If a fighter pilot ejects from a damaged aircraft, parachutes safely into enemy territory and avoids becoming a POW, I don’t think he will be overly concerned about getting his “lucky ejection seat” back.

A gun carried for self-defense is a tool. Like a fire extinguisher or a parachute.

A far greater concern would be the general wear that an EDC firearm is subjected to. Just the daily abuse alone is enough to prevent most folks from carrying that family heirloom 1960 Colt Python with a 100% original finish.
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I was once told I needed to stop thinking like a collector if I was serious about a CCW permit. What did my co-worker mean? "I mean, you have guns to show your friends, not your enemies." The man had a point.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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Bisley said:
I was once told I needed to stop thinking like a collector if I was serious about a CCW permit. What did my co-worker mean? "I mean, you have guns to show your friends, not your enemies." The man had a point.
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/\ Yep, pretty is not one of the requirements. /\

The criteria for a self defense tool

  • It must be present.
  • It must function.
  • It should be effective.
  • You should be proficient with it.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Winelover said:
Pants with cargo pockets work very well when sitting. Pocket is much lower than the main pocket. It's a rare time when I'm not wearing trail pants/shorts.
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Don't see much of that here except for the gangbangers in town. 90% are Levi's of some brand or another. Like wearing a fanny pack that screams "I have a gun in there". Cowboy hats or baseball caps are almost universal to keep the sun and cancer risks in check.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I don't follow fashion trends. Only wear what's comfortable and applicable. No gangbangers in this off the beaten path resort/retirement area. Wrangler and Duluth offer Carpenter Pants, with side cargo pockets. With the size of phones, these days, wide deep pockets are a must................. unless you want to wear a phone holster.
 
RicinYakima

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Winelover said:
I don't follow fashion trends. Only wear what's comfortable and applicable. No gangbangers in this off the beaten path resort/retirement area. Wrangler and Duluth offer Carpenter Pants, with side cargo pockets. With the size of phones, these days, wide deep pockets are a must................. unless you want to wear a phone holster.
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:D Leave the phone in the house or the truck. That what "leave a message" is for. :rofl:
 
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Petrol & Powder

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dale2242 said:
I never considered myself of much of a Glock fan.
Until yesterday.
I got a chance to shoot a Glock 17 gen 4.
It fit my hand nicely.
I`m not too sure I liked it enough to buy one.
I shot it quite well.
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Come to the dark side.......we have cookies.

OK, jokes aside, YES, Glocks do tend to fit a lot of people. They have excellent ergonomics.
I actually find the grip angle of a Glock/Luger/Ruger MKII/H&K P7, etc. to point more naturally than the more vertical grips on other guns. That’s not some absolute rule and everyone is different, but there you have it.

One of the places where Gaston Glock operated outside the box was in the design of the grip. He didn’t simply copy the standard grip angle found on other pistols but rather experimented with different grip angles. The final form turned out to be a bit more rakish than was the norm but Glock wasn’t big on following norms.
 
fiver

fiver

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CZ93X62 said:
My cell phone is heavy enough to use as a defensive tool. It would take a good divot from an evil-doer or malefactor. I could buy two Glocks for the price of it, too.
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my phone was free, it did have a MSRP of 49 dollars, but it cost me nuthin.
it'd probably leave a welt if i threw it hard enough though.
 
RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
Several mentioned the priority of the defensive tool . It has to be at hand , work every time , and allow one to use it often enough for play that it just happens if it needs to happen for business.

Rather ironic (I don't if that's quite right but it mostly fits) that the second longest issued arm in our armed forces and The second most iconic side arm ever used in Hollywood Mob/Mafia movies and probably not far from the truth is a picnic gun now ........

I could never afford a 1911 but I've shot a few .
I have a M10 S&W , good enough for our air crews good enough for me but I don't see me ever carrying it for business, I did promise my grandmother I would never use it in anger also .

I must have about the most unwanted tag alongs on the planet to carry in the most disliked cartridges ever . I guess if you can't get it done with 7 380s , 13 40s isn't going to help .

I shot one of the early S&W poly frame 9mms and swore that would never happen again. The XD has about as much in common with that S&W as a 2022 Pete has with a 63 Beetle .
The 1st gen G43 is probably more shootable than the Walther PPKs I had as loan security for about a yr .
The LCP kind of lives up to that S&W .

Never wanted Glock just kind of stumbled in to it . It fits my hand , points well , and seems to hit about where it's pointed .
 
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Petrol & Powder

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RBHarter said:
...........Never wanted Glock just kind of stumbled in to it . It fits my hand , points well , and seems to hit about where it's pointed .
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That sums up the experience of a lot of folks.

In Paul Barrett's book, "Glock, The Rise of America's Gun" there is some coverage on how Gaston Glock came up with the grip angle. It wasn't by accident that Glocks point well.
 
Intel6

Intel6

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I got my first Glock back in 1987 when they only made one model, the smooth frame G17. I was working at a commercial ammunition remanufacturer (while in college) and was able to shoot up all the blemished ammo I wanted for free. This was ammo that was shootable, but we wouldn't sell it and they were happy to have me shoot it up to get the brass back into rotation. Our main customer was LAPD and we were loading 700,000 rounds of .38 special practice ammo a month. This resulted in lots of blems and I was shooting at least 800 rounds a week.

When LAPD transitioned to the Beretta, we started loading their 9mm training ammo which meant that we started accumulating blem 9mm ammo. I didn't have a 9mm and figured I needed to get one to shoot up that ammo also. I wanted something I could shoot up a bunch of ammo without taking too much time cleaning or taking care of it. I didn't know much about them but I decided to try out one of the "new fangled Glocks" and since they were cheap back then (the shop had an FFL and I got guns at cost) I figured why not.

So, I shot the crap out of that thing (thousands of rounds) and never cleaned/lubed it, just abused it for a few years without any problems. Two things happened during this time. I got real good shooting the Glock platform and I discovered how much abuse they could take and keep going. That made an impression on me and throughout the years I have continued to shoot them and have acquired a bunch of them.

I know they are not for everyone, and I don't take it personally when people say they hate them, or they think another handgun is better. I have lots of handguns that are much nicer and may shoot better but I can't (or wont) treat them like I do Glocks so they have their place.
 
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