Got a call from my Class III dealer today

[Pistolero]

The paperwork came through on my .45 Ti-Rant suppressor. Yay! But I won't be shooting it any
time real soon. Pick it up in a few days. I have a drop in bbl for M&P45 and a Dan Wesson
1911 which is set up from the factory with tall sights and threaded muzzle for a suppressor, so
they will be the initial platforms.
But, until the knee gets a bit better that will wait.

Still, a good day.

Bill

 

[462]

Circumventing the various Second Amendment infringements always makes for a good day, and is the reason why I keep re-uping my 03 FFL.

 

[Pistolero]

So, I have no idea what the state laws in Cali are on NFA items. Based on their generally very strict gun
laws, I would presume no NFA guns, but if you are a 03 FFL, then I suppose that you can own NFA
stuff. ???? Does the 03 FFL exempt you from Cali NFA laws?

In KS there are zero state laws on NFA items, only the feds need to be satisfied. Makes it simpler.

Bill

 

[Brad]

Bill, I don’t usually make offers like this but........

I would be willing to take time out of my busy schedule to come down, help you intall it on a 1911, and go test it for you.

To keep it all legal I will have you in the car while I shoot. I would hate for you to fall at the range.

Am I a great guy or what?

 

[Pistolero]

Heck, Brad, I may take you up on that.
The one fly in the ointment is that I need to order a piston assy for the 1911.
Seriously, when it comes in, you can come down and wring it out.

And I won't be in the car. I walked a bit over 3/4 mile yesterday PM, and the PTist yesterday cleared me for the cane around the house and short distances. On th deck now enjoying some warmth, in the shade, with just the cane.
I figure to be "caning around" in a day or two anywhere I need to go.

But you are still welcome to help.

Bill

 

[Ian]

You have more patience than I do. I'd be begging a ride to the dealer and tomorrow evening be sitting in the same spot you are now taking pot shots at maurauding cans.

 

[freebullet]

If not booked out 3 weeks I'd made the same offer Brad did. You don't want the new can to oxidize before you get there.

 

[462]

Bill,
California's firearms' laws and regulations are as lengthy as the Bible, and deliberately worded so as to be incomprehensible by even the lawyers who wrote them.

It was about 2003 when I got my 03 license, and have kept it current since. I've had many rifles delivered directly to my front door, though it's been a while since I made the last purchase. At the time Midway offered a discount, but it has been discontinued. Brownells/Sinclair offer small discounts, and there may be others that I'm not aware of.

I've not knowledgable of the state's NFA stance, but presume that nothing is legal to possess.

 

[Pistolero]

Yeah, I would guess that, too, referring to Cali NFA laws.

Since it has been a very long wait, some of the urgency is gone. I suppose I can shoot single shot until I get the pistons. Is that correct....or does the can even screw on and function without the piston installed?
I have an appointment to pick it up Tues PM.

 

[CZ93X62]

CA and NFA goodies.......the one-word answer is Fuggetaboutit. Cal-DOJ is ridiculously stringent even on law agencies that own select-fire or suppressed weapons. I imagine the regs have gotten worse since I retired in 2005, but they were a PITA in any event. Rick might have some insight into Hollywood studios and the rigamarole they go through for their "prop" faux NFA stuff, a lot of those are classed as "non-guns" Federally.

 

[Pistolero]

given their genera aversion to civilians with guns, I imagined that anything unusual (NFA) would be
even more unlikely to be legal.

If smokeywolf has any interests in that direction, KS has no state restrictions, MO is OK with all but
DDs, Arkansas just a couple months ago removed their suppressor ban, and other NFA items have been
OK previously. And KS, MO and AR are all three Constitutional Carry states, so a permit is only needed
for out of state reciprocity reasons.

 

[Rick]

I should check to be certain but Arkansas I believe does require a permit for concealed carry. Was some talk awhile ago about doing away with the permit but I haven't heard of it actually happening. John would probably be more up to date on it than me though.

 

[Pistolero]

From what I found online, they have removed that requirement, but still offer permits.

According to this it has been that way for many years. Validated by courts again last year.

Constitutional Carry Upheld in Arkansas - Conduit News Arkansas

The Arkansas Court of Appeals issued a ruling Thursday recognizing and upholding the validity of open carry or concealed carry of a firearm without a license/permit in Arkansas. This ruling sets a strong court precedent for constitutional carry in Arkansas. Members of the Arkansas group Patriots...

conduitnews.com

From the article:
".....established precedent that to be guilty of carrying a weapon, the state must prove an individual
has unlawful intent to employ a weapon against a person. "

I always intend to be lawful.

 

[Rick]

That could be accurate, I haven't looked into it very much mostly because I have little desire to deal with the hassle of carrying. One of the reasons I moved here is the lack of crime especially compared with where I moved from. Biggest problem here is the occasional druggie that believes your property should be used to buy his drugs. Most of them get caught and right now a new county jail is being built to assure they have a nice comfy place to hang out. But again John is more informed on the permit thing than I am. I'll point him to this this thread in case he's missed it.

 

[RBHarter]

Until 3/1/19 AR required a CCW for concealed carry . I read a copy of the governor's letter . It is no long required . Open carry was at least as recently as 4 yr ago was covered by a phrase something like " a traveler may carry if they are 25 or more miles from home " it did not specify residence or town .
AR is carry what you got how you want now .
Nevada on the other hand used to be OC except as posted CC w/CCW . It's on the fast track to the " Russian Express card , Don't leave home " gun law mind set .

 

[Pistolero]

Fortunately, it is simple in KS now. If you are legal to own a handgun and 21 years old or more, you can
carry it concealed or openly. I have only seen open carry a couple of times, and nobody was paying
the slightest notice to them. I would not open carry in town, seems to give up too much tactical
advantage. I worked for 12 years on getting CCW legalized, and decided to take advantage of that
right whenever and wherever it is legal. Too old and crippled up to fight or run any more.

Bill

 

[Rick]

I just went through the Arkansas.gov web site in about every way I could think of, AG, Secretary of State, Governors office, licensing division and a bunch more. Found nothing firearm related. All links on concealed carry permits and in fact most all licensing links lead to a 404 page (page not found). Seems if you want to learn about firearms law in Arkansas you'll not learn it from the state web site.

 

[Pistolero]

I would try the AG's site. All our CCW stuff was on the Attorney General's site. I had been a campaign worker for several
elections for our AG, knew him and his family well. I asked for and got put on the subcommittee to create
regulations to impliment the law the Legislature put in place. And the AG was ultimately responsible for
taking our recommended language and implementing it as regulations. OH - you did check the AG's site.

If the Ark AG site doesn't have it, check the Ark State Police web site. Some states have the State Police or
State Patrol handle this stuff. I would think it would have to be out there somewhere.

Of course, picking up the phone and calling the AG's office for guidance on where to get the info will
probably work, too. Or maybe you can suggest that they get some info on the site.

It might be that with the new law just implimented, that they cancelled all their old info, since it
was obsolete (404s) and have not yet gotten new info out there.

OK, State Police has it.....and a quick glance indicates it may be outdated. Of ocurse, they still will
provide the licenses so that you can carry in reciprocity states, so maybe not outdated.

State Police - Arkansas Department of Public Safety

asp.arkansas.gov

Bill

 

[Pistolero]

And for anyone wanting to carry on a college campus, they have an Enhanced CCW license, one time course
upgrade. I wonder if that all goes away with the new Constitutional Carry law?

I have carried on KS university campuses a few times, helping a student with her car problems. It is just OK
in KS to carry on campus.

Bill

 

[Ian]

In Texas I just refer to the criminal code. NFA items and general weapons law is all in there, though all the information is in "...commits an offense if..." format rather than defining what IS ok and it is written by lawyers to ensure the officer in the field is just confused enough that lawyers on both sides will have plenty of job security.