James W. Miner
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After this with a hard cast I knew I needed a HP from my revolver. Instant drop with a bone blown to dust is just not good enough. I think my gun failed. 
Have to admit I was wrong
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williamwaco
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I will use an HP for deer but ONLY after testing to verify the alloy, heat treating, and velocity are in balance with one another.
I have shot a few deer with a pure lead 457122 at 1600+ fps. This was using an inline ML, Pyrodex pellets, and a sabot. Bullets had been sized to .452 for proper fit in th sabots. At 100 on the berm they opened to the size of a quarter. On deer they always exited on broadside shots and left a larg exit wound. Tracking was easy, it looked like a leaky paint bucket. Had the bullet been cast of a hard alloy I bet results would have been less satisfactory. Nose blows off, penetration suffers, and possibly no exit.
Balance guys, it is all about balance. Think about it Jim, I believe I remember you speaking of how reducing velocity in some handguns gave better results. This isn't much different.
I have shot a few deer with a pure lead 457122 at 1600+ fps. This was using an inline ML, Pyrodex pellets, and a sabot. Bullets had been sized to .452 for proper fit in th sabots. At 100 on the berm they opened to the size of a quarter. On deer they always exited on broadside shots and left a larg exit wound. Tracking was easy, it looked like a leaky paint bucket. Had the bullet been cast of a hard alloy I bet results would have been less satisfactory. Nose blows off, penetration suffers, and possibly no exit.
Balance guys, it is all about balance. Think about it Jim, I believe I remember you speaking of how reducing velocity in some handguns gave better results. This isn't much different.
Ian
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I remember that too, sort of a revelation. Jim, wasn't that with the .475?
For "boiler room" shots on deer, so far I have found NOTHING to equal the killing power of heavy, large-caliber, pure lead slugs. I've used round balls from mild to slightly less mild and several different .45 centerfires using very soft alloy and it gets the job done very well.
For "boiler room" shots on deer, so far I have found NOTHING to equal the killing power of heavy, large-caliber, pure lead slugs. I've used round balls from mild to slightly less mild and several different .45 centerfires using very soft alloy and it gets the job done very well.
fiver
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well you ain't seen the killing power of the 25-06 at over 3000 fps and a too soft bullet then.
one hit just in front of the haunches [angling towards the off shoulder] puts enough air inside [and out again] of the poor thing.
easy to stick your fist in there and get stuff out though.
guess who just switched bullet brands.. [and upped the velocity another 250 fps]
and cut the damage by 75% all at the same time..
apparently controlled expansion means sumthin different to speer than it does to me.
one hit just in front of the haunches [angling towards the off shoulder] puts enough air inside [and out again] of the poor thing.
easy to stick your fist in there and get stuff out though.
guess who just switched bullet brands.. [and upped the velocity another 250 fps]
and cut the damage by 75% all at the same time..
apparently controlled expansion means sumthin different to speer than it does to me.
James W. Miner
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Balance guys, it is all about balance. Think about it Jim, I believe I remember you speaking of how reducing velocity in some handguns gave better results. This isn't much different.
Yes. More truth to that. I was using my BFR in .500 JRH. Deer was walking so I held front shoulder but as the hammer dropped she stopped.
The problem is with my cannon, accuracy is where it is and I will not reduce velocity. The 440 gr is around 1350 fps or more. 1350 was taken from a 6" barrel but mine is 7-1/2", actually longer with BFR's.
Yes. More truth to that. I was using my BFR in .500 JRH. Deer was walking so I held front shoulder but as the hammer dropped she stopped.
The problem is with my cannon, accuracy is where it is and I will not reduce velocity. The 440 gr is around 1350 fps or more. 1350 was taken from a 6" barrel but mine is 7-1/2", actually longer with BFR's.
James W. Miner
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Good man.
James W. Miner
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I forgot to tell you about my boolit. It is very hard, 22 BHN for most but half the nose is cast softer using a mix of 3# of pure and 1# of WW plus a tad of tin.
I did that because deer were going too far, 100-120 yards with no blood trails. 5 of the last 6 deer have dropped right now and one made 20 yards. This is the first time I hit bone.
I did that because deer were going too far, 100-120 yards with no blood trails. 5 of the last 6 deer have dropped right now and one made 20 yards. This is the first time I hit bone.
fiver
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I think what failed here is that nothing is perfect.
you move that shot out to 100 yds and then what?
yep slower expansion two holes and still the deer goes down but without the damage.
I used the same 25-06 rifle on 3 different deer this year and got the above on one shot, something a little less drastic on another [but still meat loss] at over 300 yds and switching the bullet out and speeding it up resulted in something in between at a distance of just over 100 yds.
all the shots struck nearly the same sized deer within 2" of each other, and all 3 died where they stood.
but all 3 shots gave somewhat different terminal performance.
i'll save the home swaged 30-06 bullets report for later, but I will say it gave 2 different results on 2 similar shots through bone.
both deer dropped in their tracks, but terminal performance was vastly different.
you move that shot out to 100 yds and then what?
yep slower expansion two holes and still the deer goes down but without the damage.
I used the same 25-06 rifle on 3 different deer this year and got the above on one shot, something a little less drastic on another [but still meat loss] at over 300 yds and switching the bullet out and speeding it up resulted in something in between at a distance of just over 100 yds.
all the shots struck nearly the same sized deer within 2" of each other, and all 3 died where they stood.
but all 3 shots gave somewhat different terminal performance.
i'll save the home swaged 30-06 bullets report for later, but I will say it gave 2 different results on 2 similar shots through bone.
both deer dropped in their tracks, but terminal performance was vastly different.
James W. Miner
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The energy from this revolver has to be seen. At 100 yards it will blow a jug of water into a 30' or larger blast. I don't think I would hunt if it was as big as the .500 S&W. The JRH is actually a S&W special, same brass is used, just shorter. I don't lose any meat if I shoot behind the shoulders but it drops them. Next fastest is the .475 for quick drops so they work good here in the thick. The .44 is good with most not making 30 yards with a lot of blood.
Now with a full hard, I was poking holes with the JRH, must have something to do with boolit weight that does not even feel a deer!
Now with a full hard, I was poking holes with the JRH, must have something to do with boolit weight that does not even feel a deer!