Henry Homesteader

[fiver]

a 125 pushed to european specs is what the 9 needs, used out of a carbine pushed with a slowish powder to those pressures and your in business.

from some rumors and a little speculating i'm thinking these will take the 100rd. snail drum Glock magazines.
you'd be able to keep the zombies off your lawn for a couple of hours if you don't turn the barrel red.

 

[richhodg66]

Kinda makes me wonder if this could be made to function with a rimmed cartridge? One in .357 Magnum would be a lot more interesting to me.

 

[RBHarter]

I could be interested but I've done a little poking and I think I can make a 45 Colts out of the 45 ACP HP , you know as a single feed deal ...... The 250-260 gr 454424s actually shoot great and well towards 950 fps .
If you load 9mm with those slow for cartridge flame thrower in a pistol powders you will gain a fair step up .

The bug in this is that like the gas driven cousins you have a window of operation and in the 9mm it's going to be 115-125 gr bullets @1000-1100 fps in a 3.5" pistol and you'll probably only get about 1100-1200 out of a 16" carbine .

For the record the Marlin 38/357 requires a 1.18??? Min OAL for feed and function. A 9×25 Rimmed aka a 38 case case cut at 25 mm (maybe it was 23 mm) works fine an gives you 13+1 in a 10+1 round 357 magazine and 1400 fps with a 125gr . I don't think it was a full tilt load as I also shot a few in the Sec 6 as a proof of concept. It wasn't unsatisfactory.

There are Armalite Rifle designs that use gas and in some ACP lengths blowback for pistol cartridges.

Years ago like last century I looked at some of the low style high function 3 gun PCC guns . The really popular one , I kid you not , looked like 6 pipe nipples 1-16" with 3 Tees and 2 elbows . The up side that they have a flip bolt and adaptive ejection ports for left/right ejection , and options for 4 makes of mags . Glock , Browning, Beretta and 1911 in 9 , 38 Super , 45 ACP and a couple of others. They were 1200 circa 98' .

As far as aesthetics and wood goes with weight have you handled a 1928 Thomson ? Fluid grace ? No they make the humpback M11 , A5 look almost Model 12 sexy . Light and agile ? Yeah about like an 350/3500 4X4 with a full lift of studs in the bed , 38s and a 4L v6.

 

[Bret4207]

Kinda makes me wonder if this could be made to function with a rimmed cartridge? One in .357 Magnum would be a lot more interesting to me.

Then you're back into chasing brass. With cheapie surplus 9mm that's one thing losing 20% of your cases, with a 357 it's another.

 

[richhodg66]

Oddly enough, a super cheapie brass catcher designed for ARs, fit right on my 1907, attaches with a velcro strap aorund the forearm and has a metal frame with a mesh bag on it. I think it cost about eight bucks and sure made it nicer to shoot.

I do agree with you, though, chasing brass sucks.

 

[Winelover]

Oddly enough, a super cheapie brass catcher designed for ARs, fit right on my 1907, attaches with a velcro strap aorund the forearm and has a metal frame with a mesh bag on it. I think it cost about eight bucks and sure made it nicer to shoot.

I do agree with you, though, chasing brass sucks.

Have one of those type of brass catchers but never used it, yet. I have a hard nylon one made by E.L. Enterprises out of Eugene, Oregon. Purchased for my Armalite AR-10. Modified it to fit the 9mm CZ Scorpion.

 

[richhodg66]

My range here at the house is rairly rough, mowed a lane through the Kansas brush and any brass that gets away from me is likely never to be seen again. Been kind of wanting to break out the 1911s again lately, I know I have several old tarps out in the barn, gotta figure out a way to rig something up. The first time I shot the 1907, I spent wayy more time looking for brass than I did for the entire range trip drive to and from included. That stuff is hard to find and those rifles like to throw it into the next county and no two will land in the same zip code. That cheap brass catcher was a God send.

 

[Jeff H]

Brass-catcher: $10 tarp from WM, suspended from a tree branch. I'm allowed - I'm a Hillbilly, by birth and subsequent socialization.

I don't own a semi-auto anything, but one of my sons-in-law does and he's going to hand-load someday, whether he knows it or not.

Him: "I'll pick all this up so you don't hit it with the mower."

Me: "Yeah, you do that. Put 'em in this coffee can and I'll 'dispose' of them for you..."

He is not yet aware that when brass touches grass, the brass' mass increases exponentially such that the brass continues to fall through topsoil, subsoil, silurian dolomite bedrock, upper crust, and on to the core of the earth. Never once have I hit a piece of brass with a mower,.. nor the three aluminum arrow shafts (and one Port Orford Cedar shaft) I've lost in the grass. I've even burned the grass off and never once found any of those things.

 

[Michael]

Ok, I have to say something and be completely honest here. Yes the Homesteader does look like a BAR. Aside from that, it had better shoot bug holes, feed, chamber, cycle, and and eject anything and everything flawlessly every time without fail. Because that my friend(s) IMO, is one, if not the most, butt, ugly, rifle, I ever seen. If my dog looked that I would shave it's bumm and teach it walk backwards. Double coyote ugly comes to mind.

Maybe the weed post about rescuing stray cats and dogs would apply here.

My 2 favorite hobbies are smoking weed and collecting nice looking rifles....

 

[Jeff H]

Ok, I have to say something and be completely honest here. Yes the Homesteader does look like a BAR. Aside from that, it had better shoot bug holes, feed, chamber, cycle, and and eject anything and everything flawlessly every time without fail. Because that my friend(s) IMO, is one, if not the most, butt, ugly, rifle, I ever seen. If my dog looked that I would shave it's bumm and teach it walk backwards. Double coyote ugly comes to mind.

Maybe the weed post about rescuing stray cats and dogs would apply here.

My 2 favorite hobbies are smoking weed and collecting nice looking rifles....

For about $1k, it should "shoot bug holes, feed, chamber, cycle, and and eject anything and everything flawlessly every time without fail" AND look like a million bucks.

Personally defined fiscal realities tend to influence MY "taste" a great deal.

 

[popper]

Guess the lever action PCC would reduce the ammo usage. Just don't see any need for PCC, too many better options. Just as the Thompson, 1911 and M1 carbine were defensive, not 'battle' weapons.

 

[Bret4207]

Oddly enough, a super cheapie brass catcher designed for ARs, fit right on my 1907, attaches with a velcro strap aorund the forearm and has a metal frame with a mesh bag on it. I think it cost about eight bucks and sure made it nicer to shoot.

I do agree with you, though, chasing brass sucks.

If I ever get to where I can do some autoloader shooting again, I fully intend to build a light frame covered in light nylon screening that will catch all my brass and at least keep it in a 4x4' area!

I despise chasing brass!

 

[Bret4207]

Brass-catcher: $10 tarp from WM, suspended from a tree branch. I'm allowed - I'm a Hillbilly, by birth and subsequent socialization.

I don't own a semi-auto anything, but one of my sons-in-law does and he's going to hand-load someday, whether he knows it or not.

Him: "I'll pick all this up so you don't hit it with the mower."

Me: "Yeah, you do that. Put 'em in this coffee can and I'll 'dispose' of them for you..."

He is not yet aware that when brass touches grass, the brass' mass increases exponentially such that the brass continues to fall through topsoil, subsoil, silurian dolomite bedrock, upper crust, and on to the core of the earth. Never once have I hit a piece of brass with a mower,.. nor the three aluminum arrow shafts (and one Port Orford Cedar shaft) I've lost in the grass. I've even burned the grass off and never once found any of those things.

Want to find those arrows? This method works well, especially if they have broadheads. Go put a brand new set of tires on a decent sized farm tractor. Good ones now, not old used stuff like I'd mount. No, getcha some Goodyears or Firestones, something where even the little ones run a grand each. Then simply drive anywhere with 50 feet of the area the arrow might possibly have landed. 99% chance you'll find at least one arrow in each tire, and 2 of them won't be anything you ever shot!!!

 

[richhodg66]

Want to find those arrows? This method works well, especially if they have broadheads. Go put a brand new set of tires on a decent sized farm tractor. Good ones now, not old used stuff like I'd mount. No, getcha some Goodyears or Firestones, something where even the little ones run a grand each. Then simply drive anywhere with 50 feet of the area the arrow might possibly have landed. 99% chance you'll find at least one arrow in each tire, and 2 of them won't be anything you ever shot!!!

That's hilarious.

I haven't shot bows much in several years, but it always did amaze me how arrows could hide even when brightly colored and in short cropped grass. Damn things get under the grass and become invisible.

 

[fiver]

if i ever,,,ever,, go back to flinging stuff i gotta chase again, they will have those blinking knocks applied to every single one of them.
then at the worst i can wait till dark to find them.

 

[richhodg66]

Been seriously thinking about breaking out the bows again. I have a few recurves and one long bow which is a 65 pound draw weight which was stout even when I was stronger. Not sure I'm up to drawing it for any meaningful practice anymore.

I used to bowfish, literally, every free minute during the warm months. Lived on the shore of a big lake full of carp. Still not far from it, I've just kinda lost interest in wanton killing for the hell of it anymore, that, and the carp die off in that lake, still convinced the KDWP did it purposely, but have no proof. Used to be able to shoot a dozen or so in the hour just before dusk and more in the first hour of day light in the morning.

Yeah, archery is fun.

 

[Rick H]

I run lighted nocks on my arrows.......they are NOT the answer. Those freaking things bury deep enough to mask the knock too. They help a lot if they don't bury......but when the Earth spirit is hungry for carbon fiber and steel, she will not be denied. What I have found is the lighted knocks have increased the price of my lost arrows (shaft/fletching/broadheads/lighted nock) from $20 to $30 or thereabouts.

 

[Winelover]

I like white fletching on my arrows, except when there is snow on the ground.

 

[Cadillac Jeff]

Dang, don't ya just pull the arrows out of the target?? I mean quit shooting in the ground.

Ya know I'm kidding right, Jeff

 

[Winelover]

Dang, don't ya just pull the arrows out of the target?? I mean quit shooting in the ground.

Ya know I'm kidding right, Jeff

Targets (store bought, not paper) don't last long shooting broadheads. Usually, shoot though cardboard hanging with preferably a sand back stop. You need to test broadheads to see if they shoot the same POA, as your field tips. Political signs work good, but without a backstop they will get buried in the underbrush/leaf clutter.