High-temperature threadlocker

Ian

Notorious member
A little birdie on a wire told me that heatproof Rocksett muzzle brake threadlocker is sodium silicate.

So is this: http://www.imperialgroup.ca/stove_maintenanceproducts.cfm?c=326

Got a 2-oz bottle locally for three bucks, it's the same stuff, at 1/6 the cost. Or just look for Water Glass locally. Many of you probably already have some on hand.

Now back to your regularly-scheduled programming...
 

Kevin Stenberg

Well-Known Member
Is this used like Locktight Blue? Water Glass ?
The more I read the more I feel like the deer in the headlights. But if I get to the dumb blond level just expel me from the group.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
Is this used like Locktight Blue? Water Glass ?
The more I read the more I feel like the deer in the headlights. But if I get to the dumb blond level just expel me from the group.

Deer in the headlights? Me too I guess, I have no idea what that is. :confused:
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Sodium silicate. When I was in school I worked as an intern at a pharmacy where we sold it to people using it to seal leaky radiators. It can also be used to help seal cardboard boxes.
It is a liquid that drys to a hard substance similar to glass.

Rick, I give you a pass. When you were young half the periodic table hadn't been discovered.....
 

Jeff Michel

Member
Water glass used to be used to preserved eggs, dip and let dry. Obama used it to destroy automobiles during the cash for clunkers fiasco. In my experience, such as it is. I'd use Locktite 680 or equivalent and don't forget the primer. If it has to stay put, it's almost as good as a taper pin. YMMV.
 

L1A1Rocker

Active Member
Is this used like Locktight Blue? Water Glass ?
The more I read the more I feel like the deer in the headlights. But if I get to the dumb blond level just expel me from the group.

It's the same thing as "Rockset" that is used to keep silencer mounting muzzle devices from coming loose. The "rockset" brand is expensive sold by the fraction of the ounce.

This is just like the old thread about the latest greatest "gun lube" being nothing but a rehash of vegetable oil.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
Same as Gun Scrubber. Same chemical as break cleaner but sold as for guns at a much higher price.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Water glass used to be used to preserved eggs, dip and let dry. Obama used it to destroy automobiles during the cash for clunkers fiasco. In my experience, such as it is. I'd use Locktite 680 or equivalent and don't forget the primer. If it has to stay put, it's almost as good as a taper pin. YMMV.

The problem with all the methacrylate esters is that they fail under high heat. Some, like "blue Loctite" 24200 let go at less than 200°F. Suppressors get very hot and muzzle mounts really get heat-soaked due to high mass and low surface area exposed to the atmosphere. That heat plus the vibrations and torque of shooting tend to melt conventional thread lockers and cause the muzzle device to loosen. Even a slightly loose suppressor will sag and misalign, often resulting in catastrophic baffle strikes. At upwards of $1500 for some suppressors plus tax stamp and several month wait time for ATF Form 3 dealer transfer plus six month wait for Form 4 transfer to individual, you can see why keeping one tight when hot is imperative. That's why Rocksett is marketed, it is only a low-to-medium strength threadlocker (if surfaces are properly cleaned and degreased before assembly), but it will maintain its strength to nearly 2,000°F. Extreme holding power isn't required with proper muzzle device torque, but the "lock" needs to be impervious to heat and consistent through many thermal cycles.

Soaking in water will soften sodium silicate if the part needs to be removed, though the word is that it might take several days for water to fully penetrate a long threaded section.

I haven't tried the sodium silicate in place of Rocksett yet, but being chemically similar it should be a viable alternative. Rocksett seems to be a blend of sodium and potassium silicates dissolved in water whereas the stove adhesive is straight sodium silicate/water, but according to the SDS of both they have the same CAS number (sodium metasilicate) and almost identical pH. I'm going to call it "close 'nuff".
 

Jeff Michel

Member
I'm not familiar with Rocksett. Locktite 680 is bear sleeve retaining adhesive and is used in industry in locations were heat and constant vibration is an issue. I do not remember the temperature that it breaks at but I have to use a torch to soften it. I didn't heat a 1/4-28 fastener once upon a time prior to removal and it did twist off just below the head.