How Are Your Knife Sharpening Skills???

seagiant1

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Hi,
I grew up in Georgia with a pocket knife on me since I was probably 6 years old.

(Remember the old Barlow Knives you could buy in a Drugstore or Bait Shop?)


My Father never could sharpen a knife very well and I always did it for him even as a Kid.


I actually enjoy free hand sharpening, as I like to feel the Blade on the Stone.


Some people just can't acquire the knack of free hand sharpening, and why Knife Sharpeners were invented.


I just bought a "Budget Angle Knife Sharpener", not because I really need it, but want to play with different angles, and techniques, to see what I can do.


It should be interesting to say, set the Machine at 20 degrees, and know it is 20 degrees and go from there, and judge the sharpness.


After a LOT of Internet surfing and reading, went with a Chinese well made Clone, of a German $900 sharpener!


It is now available on AMZ for $129, with a $20 discount (with one day free shipping) which is the best price I could find.


There is a 19 page User's Post, on the Blade Forum, on different opinions, and DIY Upgrades.


Admittedly at my age, a little late for this, but why not, that's what retirement is for, I guess!


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just got the SIL a 6 dollar zoomie machine at the grocery store.
Littlegirl immediately told him to piss off about it and to go play with the 2 [expensive one's] he's already broken.
i run a couple of her nicer kitchen knives through it yesterday, her idea of sharp got a new outlook, and i was wishing i'd spent 6 more dollars.

not as good as my Lansky, but it has like 12 stones to work with.
 
To answer this question,

"How Are Your Knife Sharpening Skills???"​


Not Good :(

I understand the concepts and can do an OK job, but my skills are poor when compared to someone that really knows what they are doing.
I can do slightly better with a single edge tool, like a wood chisel than a knife.
 
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I have a collection of straight razors and several hundred dollars worth of ceramic, diamond and natural stones. I've spent many hours honing the edges on the razors and kitchen knives. Use the diamond stones mainly for the kitchen knives; finish those on a Japanese water stone. The steel used in the Shun and other quality Japanese knives pretty much require diamond stones.

I manage to lock my wrist and maintain a pretty consistent angle. Maybe it's the arthritis in my wrist that help keep it locked:headscratch:.
 
How are my skills? Marginal at best. How is my attitude for sharpening knives? Very poor.
I up graded to an electric sharpener back in early 2000’s because running a Charter boat, long, long hours. This was the problem.

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Constantly sharping knives. One rock fish cleaned wrong and dull knife. 6 costumers a day with a bag limit of 5 each, well…
That’s not counting 2 halibut each and whatever we would catch in salmon.
The cure:

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Sharpening a blade well is something I never really got the knack for. My Dad could take a piece of sandstone out of the creek, spit on it and put a shaving edge on a 2x4" in a few minutes, he was unbelieveable, but he never managed to teach my dumb ass how to do it.

A useful skill to be sure. Maybe I need to really put forth some time and energy towards learning it now. I have to admist to using knife sharpeners that take care of the angle for you.
 
I think t he biggest "secret" or "trick" that I ever learned sharpening is that there IS NO SECRET OR TRICK.

ANGLE gets way too much credit and blame.

Things the OP and anyone who's able to put a shaving edge on a GOOD piece of steel knows:

One of the biggest fallacies is that one has to hold a specific angle - or that one has to hold an angle at all. If sharpening a plane iron or wood chisel, yes, but a jig can be used to establish that angle and even maintain that angle, or once the angle is established, it can serve as a rough guide itself.

The specific angle is dependent upon how easily you want the edge to cut, and how well the steel/HT will stand up at that angle. The more obtuse the angle, the harder it will be to cut with it. The more acute the angle, the better it cuts, but it's more fragile.

If one insists on putting an angle on a blade, the angle does not have to be precise. Even three degrees or so off - no one's going to notice.

I personally avoid angles on blade edges and will say now that the concept of the "true Scandi" is an imagined standard that Scandinavians never applied, especially in their earliest days of knife-making. It's OK to expect two perfectly flat, mirror-polished surfaces to meet at a "zero vertex." Outside the shop, not so much. You can't spend all day sharpening in the woods and then babying the edge thereafter. Again, in the shop, fine.

Even my Scandinavian-grind knives have a slight convex to their opposing faces, yet mirror-polished. I'd be aghast to see that on a chisel or plane iron, but it is an unreasonable and inefficient expectation on a knife.

This does not mean that the knife's sharpness is inferior to the chisel or plane iron either - only that one has not held a precise angle to cut large, flat surfaces or square holes.

All you're doing is shaping and polishing steel. How you do it varies mostly by what you have or what best works for you to achieve this.

Establish a reasonable thinness and taper from the edge to where it ends and the rest of the blade begins.

Make the above CONSISTENT along the length of the cutting edge - work toward a FINE, long, even burr one one side of the edge.

Once that burr is established, turn the knife over and do the same so the burr forms on the OTHER SIDE now.

Each time you've done that, step up in fineness on your chosen abrasive and do it again.

I use mostly 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000 wet/dry abrasive papers flattened out on various surfaces as platens, lubed with cheap WM "Spray Lube." Don't spend a bunch of money on water stones - or any stones, but a few GOOD diamond plates can be invaluable. Just remember that all you're doing is shaping and polishing metal. They used stones in the stone-age because they didn't have stuff we have today. I'm a pretty die-hard traditionalist, but I don't still wipe my butt with last year's corn cobs and I sure as hell stopped believing the "magic" of natural or synthetic stones not long after I stopped believing in Santa.

Stones are great. I have many and use some of them, but don't blame your inability to put an edge on steel on the stones or the lack thereof. You're just shaping and polishing steel and there are a lot of abrasives out there to do it with. Everyone will find his or her preference. If you can cast a decent bullet and remember different moulds' personalities, you have the ability to sharpen to a razor's edge. You just don't know it because of all the implied magic involved. If you USE stones and they work for you, you've mastered this using a flippin' ROCK! You're awesome! I'm being facetious about the ROCK, NOT your ability. Not everyone is going to get aloing with a rock, especially the new student, so take pride in doing marvelous work with a stone-age tool, but don't spread rumors that it has special powers, manna, if you will, and learniers will be better off. I'm an old-fashioned guy, but there are SO many things we have today which are way more efficient or at least easier to use.

Anyone who doubts their ability sharpening think about THIS: did you know that you have to MAINTAIN water stones? Hell, I even have my first sharpening stone still - a Norton "coarse/fine" ("fine" on this stone is "coarse" to me now) and it is dished so badly from me trying to learn to sharpen on the wrong tool for years that I use it to rough form the convex on axe edges. It's also a reminder of ho long I spun my wheels and how many knife blade I ground to oblivian with it.

No special sause required and no magic in a can. WATER for diamond plates and wash with hot water, Dan and a toothbrush frequently - or use water/Dawn as your cutting fluid. When "oil" is required, I use cheap WM "Spray Lube." Something like 1K in a spray can is all it is. Works better than any expensive snake oil anyone is bottling and labeling as "Honing Oil." Maybe t here's a snake called "Honing," I don't know.

Finer, finer, finer... I used two grades of stropping (buffing compound,) one is sort of medium fine and one really fine. Green DICO, #2 and White Mibro WR1, respectively. DICO is hard to find in the US now, but readily available in Canada and one person sent me some, another drove up and got us so me. One 1"x4" stick of either will last a lifetime and you can cut it up and have some on the bench and a bit in each bag for field touch-ups. Incidentally, I "touch up" a lot, like for a year after (sometimes during) each use and really only have to actually SHARPEN a well-used knife once a year or so - even the pocket knife I carry and use daily. I use leather - HAIR SIDE UP - contact-cemented to scraps of hardwood as strops. I have a couple that are 3.5" wide and 12" long, made of MDF, but 6" is plenty.

I also use blocks of hard, dense wood (maple) with the finer (white) compound on one side and Simichrome (like Flitz) on the other for plane irons and chisels. The FINER you polish, the SMALLER the stress riser you will have trailing out to the very edge of your cutting edge and the better it will cut and more DURABLE it will be. You won't have little, microscopic bits beaking off, degrading the edge.

Don't abuse the thing! DO you want a knife or a garden hoe? Respect that edge and be mindful of it.

The number one cause of frsustration sharpening is frustration sharpening. Don't get BORED and start grinding harder! If you're doing that, step up the coarseness and use moderate/light (light/moderate?) pressure. Pressing harder, grinding faster - that just means you're using too fine an abrasive. Once you tune an initiual factory edge to shape, you won't have to do that again - IF you fon't abuse the knife and you touch it up from time to time.

As an old (educated) hillbilly used to say to me about everything, "this ain't rocket surgery." Once you break the bullshit bubble and realize that all you're dong in shaping and polishing steel, you'll see that.

Yeah, there's much, much more to it, but think about anything else you do daily. Tying your shoes is EASY, but it really is COMPLICATED, but you learned and now it's a snap. Not calling out anyoine still struggling with that one, really. If that's you, just shut up and no one else will know.;)
 
On a scale of one to ten, I'd give myself a solid 7.33
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It seems we have had a thread or two about this in the last 9 nine years here. I always read with intention, but it seems that to change my technique or improve my technique, involves me needing to upgrading my equipment, which means spending $. I am happy with my results, using a belt sander, sandpaper/emery cloth, and a inexpensive dual coarse stone...the current one is from HF. LOL. I'd go into detail, but it would likely show my ignorance of what a "razor" sharp knife blade is. Don't get me wrong, my blades will cut raw beef and garden tomatoes like nobody's business, but I wouldn't try to shave with them.
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Fun Fact:
This just popped into my head. I bought my current house in 1993. It came with a detached, tall garage with walk up attic. I store a bunch of stuff up there. Also up there was a leather razor strap draped over a rafter...it's still there, I have never touched it. It's strange that I even know what it is, my Dad never used one. I must have learned what they are via a TV show? Anyway, I wonder if that would bring my knife sharpening skills to the next level?
 
When they first came out, I purchased a Loray sharpener at a Detroit area gun & knife show. They predated the Lansky and substituted plastic, for many of the metal parts............like the stone holders.


Since then I've purchased a DMT version with diamond stones........wore out the stones on the Loray.

I learned to sharpen knives and chisels on an Arkansas whetstone. Farther taught me, he was a woodworker, before he moved to Tool & Die. I can do it the old-fashioned way but why? The angle sharpeners are much faster and avoid inadvertent stray scratches on blades.

My discontinued Buck Duke (500) lock blade folder is one of two knives used to dress deer. The other is a Wyoming knife with a removable blade. Both attain a razor-sharp cutting edge, using the DMT.

My fileting knives are sharpened on a Case butcher's steel.
 
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....Both attain a razor-sharp cutting edge, using the DMT.

Not being condescending by offering validation, as I know you don't need it and certainly not from me, rather to borrow your comment to reinforce another point.

Just like casting - whatever works for YOU is the RIGHT way to do it. Opinion - too many people try to convince the rest of the world that THEIR way is the RIGHT way and the ONLY way and sometimes, they don't even understand WHY what they're doing works.

There are a lot of options to sort through - just like casting.

DMT diamond plates are not horribly expensive either. In each of my bags, I have a pair to go with a small strop. Oddly enough, now even WM ha them now - with the kitchen cutlery. They even have some really small ones that are handy in really small kits and they last a long time if not abused.

I bought $15 Smiths of Arkansas, double-sided diamond sharpeners at WM, tossed the combo handle/case, split the plates off the bulky frame and glued them back to back for a compact, light set of diamond plates I can have in the field.
 
Fair to middling. I use diamond rods for kitchen knives. Quick touchup with a smooth steel, light pressure. Various stones, diamond, Novaculite, and water for wood and metal working tools.
 
...Novaculite...

LOL! I thought "OOH, new tip from someone who really knows steel!"

So, I looked it up.


I LOVE learning new stuff! Even if it's new stuff about old stuff I've taken for granted in the past.
 
A gift from my Dad, a long time ago. Hard Arkansas Novaculite, 1x2x4, very fine. For a mirror finish. It is so uniform that it is hard to believe that it is a natural product. It would be white if it was new. A bit fragile as the corners show.

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THAT is awesome!

The first stone my dad gave me was new over fifty years ago - a manufactured "stone," Norton, I believe. I wore that thing down to what you see and seriously wore down more than a few blades, to include the now retired Improved Muskrat shown, for which he bought me the stone. The o' man was a sink-or-swim advocate. I bough the knife (from a store which, sadly, just closed a couple weeks ago) and he bought the stone and told me to figure it out. The box is long-gone, tossed some twenty or thirty years ago.

He was a Tool & Die maker for over forty years and did amazing things, but he never figured out sharpening. His German father in law was an advocate of a "toothy" edge, which would cut tissue like nobody's business, but broke down quickly on wood or other materials rather quickly. Incidentally, my paternal grandfather was basically a Scots-Irish Kentuckian subsistence-hunter and raised small livestock and a hog or two. He subscribed to the same sharpening model and had many very worn blades.

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My sorry collection of actual stones, both natural and man-made, plus a few bits of ceramic. They have specific uses, but only the smallest natural stones ever touch a knife edge once the desired profile is achieved. Having all the latest-greatest/newest is not necessary. If you find what works for YOU, for what you're doing, it's a means to the end. The hump one has to get over is the understanding the nature of the "end," the edge. The edge is simpler than many can convey and it is a stumbling block while learning.

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Probably my most used/most useful sharpening tool is a double-sided strop and I usually use the finest side the most. Once I got my wood-working bench tools to work right, I started applying that knowledge to knife-sharpening, but without the imperative to maintain dead-flat opposing surfaces, which is neither easy in the field, and not necessarily desired either. Once established, a good edge and "pre-edge" (as Scott Gossman puts it), periodic stropping, even mid-work, will maintain that edge for a long time.

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AGAIN, not the grand-master, but works for me. The means will vary according to what works for a given edge and it's user.