HOW HOT CAN YOU LOAD LEAD .357 FOR A LEVER ACTION RIFLE.

Mitty38

Mitty38

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Winelover said:
I used front stuffers/muzzleloaders in Southern Michigan. Way more accurate than my Model 12, throwing slugs.
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Ye I could just use a 50 caliber muzzele loader and cast my own, but would take me a minuet to get the ranges and drop down with it, as I am not able to shoot it more then 3 times in a row.Plus they do not make a version of my favorite scope for a muzzle loader, and without one I am limited to about 70 yards, with my eyes.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I installed a scout scope base, on my 54 Renegade, using the existing drilled and tapped holes of the factory open sights. Using an standard UltraDot.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Seventy yards is a long shot, where I hunt. Most of my deer are taken within bow shot. I want the red dot for it's low light capability.
 
Mitty38

Mitty38

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The reason I am exploring this territory is that the land I hunt on is owned and leased by a private corporation, and our little club has gone to great extremes to be able to hunt, what and how we can on it.
We are actually on the companies payroll, and receive a small check, once a year for doing so.The land owners have us there for protection of their livestock. We are told what direction we are allowed to shoot in and are only allowed to shoot from certain vantage points overlooking the fields. So I am very restricted, and if allowed to hunt deer and I broke one of their rules I would lose the hunting rights for the whole group.
Plus Ohio rules are crappy. So that is why the desire to be able to shoot from 100 to 150 yards with something straight walled, for deer instead of just standing or driving.Plus i do not have private land I can put a stand on and my arthritics in my knees will not allow me to walk ruff terrain for great distances.
I would really like a sure bet on getting some deer meat in the freezer next year or the cost it takes for me to go hunting (tags gas ect.) deer is not going to be worth it. Plus justify the cost of another rifle, reloading dies and so forth, to my wife who just loves deer meat.
I would better spend the money on hamburger and make sure we eat well in the winter, If I spend another year without venison in the freezer.This place under those conditions, with a winter feed, if I could find a straight walled rifle that can take a deer at 150 yards, would provide that sure bet. I would just like it to be with something I cast.
 
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fiver

fiver

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I don't think the 444 makes the 1.8" restriction.
this is why the 350 legend is getting the attention it is.
it's basically a [screwed up] rimless version of the 357 max, but it fits the bill [rules, if the box says 357 on it] and gets the job done.
 
Mitty38

Mitty38

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fiver said:
I don't think the 444 makes the 1.8" restriction.
this is why the 350 legend is getting the attention it is.
it's basically a [screwed up] rimless version of the 357 max, but it fits the bill [rules, if the box says 357 on it] and gets the job done.
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Yup, the. 444 did not make the cut, too much taper.
I just hate going to the legend and following the crowd, especially since it leaves the arena of the cast bullet, for that yardage.
However for the 350 legend, I could have a custom mold made and cast cores, then have custom swagger dies made to cover those with some brass. Sound like a fun rabbit hole to go down later on.
 
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RBHarter

RBHarter

West Central AR
I wonder what you could get out of it with a maximum length and a compressed load of something like H322 , 4198 or faster ?
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

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At black-powder velocities (1200-1300 FPS), 405 grains would be similar to a 20 gauge 7/8 oz. field load in free recoil. Run to full-potential in a Ruger #1 (350 grains @ 2100 FPS), your shoulder blades will bruise one another upon their meeting.

38/55 at BP rates runs a 250 grain bullet about 1300-1350 FPS. Recoil splits the difference between 410 3" and 28 gauge skeet load. Very comfy.

Both calibers have kind of a rainbow trajectory past 100-125 yards, but the arc is VERY predictable and both calibers can be very accurate in good barrels/rifles. I have hunted with the 45/70 for a lot of years, and to 150 yards in BP trim it has taken every big game species in North America. The 38/55 goes along with us on berry-picking jaunts in the local mountains to dissuade black bears. Bears are furry jerks.

The 38/55 and the 44/40 are the calibers most-affected by the new non-toxic bullet metal casting regimen spoken of in another thread on this site recently.
 
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