I need a bigger hammer
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Pistolero
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OK, my bad on ".303 Savage". I went back to Sav 99 restification and found that the Sav 99 is
.30-30, not .303 Sav. Either way, that cartridge will do it with a deep HPt cast or a dual alloy
cast soft point, but no point is subsonic with it that I can see. You are already launching a super
heavy .30 cal cast with the .300 BO. If you go for max speed, the .30-30 brings a lot more
to the party in the way of powder capacity, so you can either be conventional and use a
Hornady 170 gr or go cast with ......deep HPt or dual alloy cast SP. Is there a broken record
around here? Is the 170gr full power .30-30 too much thump for your retinas?
But you already knew all this was out there. I guess the issue is that you didn't expect the
solids to do as little as they did. Simplest step is upping the game on the cast with the
same gun- deep HPt or dual alloy cast SP. Lead is still the issue, but you hit many times so
it seems like you have that working.
As to Brad's suggestion, a bit of corn on the ground at the right place should get the range
down and get them to hold still a bit better.
Bill
.30-30, not .303 Sav. Either way, that cartridge will do it with a deep HPt cast or a dual alloy
cast soft point, but no point is subsonic with it that I can see. You are already launching a super
heavy .30 cal cast with the .300 BO. If you go for max speed, the .30-30 brings a lot more
to the party in the way of powder capacity, so you can either be conventional and use a
Hornady 170 gr or go cast with ......deep HPt or dual alloy cast SP. Is there a broken record
around here? Is the 170gr full power .30-30 too much thump for your retinas?
But you already knew all this was out there. I guess the issue is that you didn't expect the
solids to do as little as they did. Simplest step is upping the game on the cast with the
same gun- deep HPt or dual alloy cast SP. Lead is still the issue, but you hit many times so
it seems like you have that working.
As to Brad's suggestion, a bit of corn on the ground at the right place should get the range
down and get them to hold still a bit better.
Bill
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freebullet
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If ya think the 30 subs are passing thru, hollow pointing or fat flat nose might help. Still a bit weak to net Insta knockdown that far out imo.
So, when does the raptor get underway?
So, when does the raptor get underway?
Pistolero
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Fat bullets don't need to expand, but even a slow .44 or .45 can be a pretty heavy
recoil situation. I still remember my surprise the first time I shot my .44 Mag Win 94
carbine. Even slowed down to 1050, that might be too much bump on the back end.
Should be good on the front end with a LBT or Keith design.
I put a 250 gr 429421 through at wart hog, about 2" farther back than I intended (it
was 75 yds, handgun) and he whirled (showing a bloody hole on the other side - YAY!)
and ran off at full tilt. Died on his feet 30 yds away. I tend to suspect that a pig is a pig,
but never have shot one of our feral hogs. Two warthogs with two .44 mag shots, about
1350 fps loads. Probably 1050 would do nearly the same.
Bill
recoil situation. I still remember my surprise the first time I shot my .44 Mag Win 94
carbine. Even slowed down to 1050, that might be too much bump on the back end.
Should be good on the front end with a LBT or Keith design.
I put a 250 gr 429421 through at wart hog, about 2" farther back than I intended (it
was 75 yds, handgun) and he whirled (showing a bloody hole on the other side - YAY!)
and ran off at full tilt. Died on his feet 30 yds away. I tend to suspect that a pig is a pig,
but never have shot one of our feral hogs. Two warthogs with two .44 mag shots, about
1350 fps loads. Probably 1050 would do nearly the same.
Bill
It's a bit heavy but it has it's own wheels.
This works. Bout 1700 fps. They don't sqeal when hit or on the run. They also duck when they hear the bullet coming. That really surprised me! Unless you hit the 'right' spot, they don't go down for a long distance. The LR308 is a pre-bushy complete 24" upper with adj block. My back just can't take it anymore.
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CZ93X62
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I hate to sound like that "broken record" Bill spoke of, but here goes anyway. All of these methods we use to quantify/compare "stopping power" of our cartridges rely upon "squaring" some element of the ballistic equation--bullet weight/mass, bullet speed, or bullet diameter. Diameter is the only one of those three that actually/empirically squares itself in the real world, so I subscribe to theories that follow that mindset--e.g., Hatcher's Index of Relative Stopping Power.
You can increase diameter of your prospective bullet in one of two ways--start it out at healthy diameter (38/55, 45/70, 458 SOCOM) or send it with the ability to expand once it arrives via some expansion tech upgrades. That is how I view the matter, anyway.
You can increase diameter of your prospective bullet in one of two ways--start it out at healthy diameter (38/55, 45/70, 458 SOCOM) or send it with the ability to expand once it arrives via some expansion tech upgrades. That is how I view the matter, anyway.
Ian
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The thing about pigs is they never do what you want them to. I usually don't have the luxury of sitting in a cushy blind somewhere and making shots at convenient, known distances.
I've killed them well inside 100 yards with several different calibers and a couple past 100, including one with the same load and rifle that failed yesterday....but it ran 3/4 mile and died in a fence. My takeaway is they can be killed with a .22 lr or anything else I have in my safe, but I would really like to have something bigger than .30 caliber and faster than 1600 fps. I have not been overly impressed with the .308. It's not easy to conect with heavy, slow .45s past 100 yards.
So, big, heavy, flat, and fast. Semi auto. Belt-fed is optional.
I'm gonna go back to drilljng holes in limestone and ponder it some more.
I've killed them well inside 100 yards with several different calibers and a couple past 100, including one with the same load and rifle that failed yesterday....but it ran 3/4 mile and died in a fence. My takeaway is they can be killed with a .22 lr or anything else I have in my safe, but I would really like to have something bigger than .30 caliber and faster than 1600 fps. I have not been overly impressed with the .308. It's not easy to conect with heavy, slow .45s past 100 yards.
So, big, heavy, flat, and fast. Semi auto. Belt-fed is optional.
I'm gonna go back to drilljng holes in limestone and ponder it some more.
Big, heavy, flat, and fast also means recoil.
The 35-375 cal range will get you what you need.
A 375 win or 38-55 loaded kinda stout would be very good. A 225-250 gr bullet at 1700 FPS is no slouch.
I would love to see what my 375 H&H would do with a 265 gr cast at around 2000 FPS would do to piggies. Plenty flat shooting for 200 yards.
The 35-375 cal range will get you what you need.
A 375 win or 38-55 loaded kinda stout would be very good. A 225-250 gr bullet at 1700 FPS is no slouch.
I would love to see what my 375 H&H would do with a 265 gr cast at around 2000 FPS would do to piggies. Plenty flat shooting for 200 yards.
smokeywolf
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My model 71 Winchester would work. Recoil is surprisingly tolerable. But, not semi auto and no scope.
Pistolero
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35 rem in 336 Marlin in my arsenal would be a good choice. 200 gr JRN at 2000 fps.
Not semi- but levers are good. Easy to scope Marlins.
Or back the the Marlin GG .45-70. My load is a 405 Rem JSP at 1750. Slow it down a touch
to 1600 and it will still work fine. Again, lever, not semi. Kicks pretty hard, though.
Mine has a 1.5-5 Leupold, did in a wildebeest and zebra no problems with one shot each.
Gotta kill a pig.
Don't you have a .45 cal AR monster thing? Bushmaster or something? Basically a .45-70 in
an AR platform? Seems like recoil in that would be pretty serious, too.
Bill
Not semi- but levers are good. Easy to scope Marlins.
Or back the the Marlin GG .45-70. My load is a 405 Rem JSP at 1750. Slow it down a touch
to 1600 and it will still work fine. Again, lever, not semi. Kicks pretty hard, though.
Mine has a 1.5-5 Leupold, did in a wildebeest and zebra no problems with one shot each.
Gotta kill a pig.
Don't you have a .45 cal AR monster thing? Bushmaster or something? Basically a .45-70 in
an AR platform? Seems like recoil in that would be pretty serious, too.
Bill
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fiver
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that's why I first recommended the 250gr 45 bullet at 1600 it's a fairly stout 45 colt load out of a lever gun but not even close to brutal more like a jolt and the gas gun would back it down even more..
it's still point and press out to 125yds or so and the drop ain't all that bad.
I hold back line on the 200 meter rams with it and get good hits.
it's still point and press out to 125yds or so and the drop ain't all that bad.
I hold back line on the 200 meter rams with it and get good hits.
Pistolero
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Circling back around to .44Mag and .45 Colt in lever guns since no real semiautos
past the long dead Ruger .44 Mag semiauto and it's surviving twin, the 10/22.
My angle eject Win 94 .44 Mag will take a scope reasonably easily, or any can take one in
a scout config.
But I think Ian has an AR in .458 SOCOM or Bushmaster, could be loaded to .45 Colt type
ballistics, but will a nice flat nosed Keith or LBT feed in it?
Bill
past the long dead Ruger .44 Mag semiauto and it's surviving twin, the 10/22.
My angle eject Win 94 .44 Mag will take a scope reasonably easily, or any can take one in
a scout config.
But I think Ian has an AR in .458 SOCOM or Bushmaster, could be loaded to .45 Colt type
ballistics, but will a nice flat nosed Keith or LBT feed in it?
Bill
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smokeywolf
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AR-500?
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Bill, from what I've seen with the RCBS 30-180FN (195ish grs in my alloy) at anywhere from 15-1600 to up over 2K fps yu aren't going to need any HP or SN. That thing is a thumper!
Chris
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You might consider the .358 Win, I think it was mentioned earlier. I'm shooting a 250 at 2200+ and nothing walks far after being hit by that and it always makes two holes. Also had success with a 225 at 2400.
While on boar hunts in Germany I noted that most rifles started at 9.3 x 62 and went up from there. .375's were common. Very few runners.
While on boar hunts in Germany I noted that most rifles started at 9.3 x 62 and went up from there. .375's were common. Very few runners.