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popper

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Evidently he likes the 110 best. He had a buddy shooting 6.8, results about the same.
 
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Will

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One more suggestion

Have you looked at the 358 MGP? Uses a standard ar15 barrel extension and 6.8 spc bolt
 

Hawk

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Did anyone mention the 358 SOCOM?
458 SOCOM necked down to 358. Uses 458 SOCOM mags and supposed to shoot almost any .357/.358 bullet or mold you want from 110 gr. up to over 200 gr.
Supposedly, with 180 gr. jacketed at around 2,300 fps.
 
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Ian

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I didn't think Tony was doing the .358. He said no advantage over the .375 last I heard. We were kicking around the .358 Rhino a little in PM, and the MGP. MGP is proprietary stuffs and special steel and a whole lotta BS that doesn't interest me. Much easier to build an AR-10 and only change the barrel and tweak the magazines in order to run .358 Win, or any of the Raptors.
 

fiver

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I don't think so, but that's the area we been kicking around.
it would be a simple answer.
 

Ian

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The .375 would do it too. 2200 with a 200-grainer and 6" point blank to 200 yards. I can also make it work with the .458 and a 340-grain lead bullet at 1700 fps/muzzle with a 185 yard point-blank range and still put 1,100 lb/ft on target at 200 yards.
 

Hawk

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My bad regarding the 358 S.
I knew Tony had a waiting list for barrels, but didn't know if was a bleak as all that.
He said he needs ten guys on the list to make another run of 358 S barrels and only has one guy signed up.
 

Brad

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Fiver probably has a spare 375 Win lever action he can send you. I have a nice 200 gr mould I can loan you for it. If he isn’t a titewad and sends his Marlin instead of the Winny then rapid fire is no problem at all. Easy to scope too.
 

Ian

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My bad regarding the 358 S.
I knew Tony had a waiting list for barrels, but didn't know if was a bleak as all that.
He said he needs ten guys on the list to make another run of 358 S barrels and only has one guy signed up.
I think it's kind of like the .44 shrubmaster or whatever he called it. Made ten barrels and had trouble selling all of them, permanently shelved the product after that. The .375 Socom looks like a really good, solid, versatile, safe system and I think it will stick around for a while yet, as will the .458. Some wildcats on top of wildcats don't really do anything special and end up going away really quickly. If the Socom had more pressure capability in the AR-15, a .358 would make a lot of sense, basically it would be a scaled-up WSSM. BUT, limiting pressure to 35K, you gotta make it up somewhere and bore cross-sectional area is how you do that.
 

fiver

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I could but it's dialed into filling rattler type loads right now.
the pigs would be dead as possible at 200 yds but you'd be shooting a bit high at 100.
I really need to draw up a 220-230gr 4 cavity GC non GC mold over to Tom's for both the Winchester and the Revolver.
 

Pistolero

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The guy I built the M98 rear sight scope mount for is down in Oklahoma hunting pigs and
ducks this weekend. My 8x57 loads (150 Hornady at 2700 fps) has knocked each one he has
shot down, DRT.

Bill
 

Pistolero

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He said the guys running the place were kinda surprised at how well it flattened them.
They said that 'Bang, flop' was not the way it usually went. IMO, Hornady makes really
good bullets, even their plain, old ordinary flat based designs really work. And in a stock
WW2 German M98, the load is mild. Not any kind of super accurate, but about 3" at 100
will do what is needed.

Bill
 
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fiver

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too many people underestimate the interlock bullet.
I had some help from a former Hornady employee figuring it out and how it is actually made.
it's probably at the pinnacle of simple cup and core bullet making IMO.
everyone that complains about them are just pushing them beyond their design limits and need to re-figure their velocity or bullet weight to get things more inline.
 

freebullet

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Not arguing against anything that's been said...just adding some additional thoughts & perspective.

One very unique issue Ian is facing in these situations, is that when he pulls up he is going after an amped up, maybe inadvertently trapped, & possibly frantic animal/s. It's very much different than shooting at calm, still, & unaware animals in the average hunting situation. This is more in line with culling practices than hunting. It can take something different to do something different.

They are much more difficult to hit, & they don't want to go down.
 

KeithB

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Good point, that also explains some human responses to being shot and why a .32 may work great in one case and a .44 mag isn't enough in another situation. I know of a local case where an amped up dimwit got shot 13 times with .357 mag bullets fired by the local constabulary, a half dozen of the hits were to the torso but not the lungs or heart, and he only quit shooting when out of ammo and never even lost consciousness until he was in the hospital. A mammal with an adrenaline rush is different than a calm animal.