Ideal/Lyman 311329

richhodg66

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Most of my shooting anymore seems to be playing with cast in .30 caliber rifles. A few years ago, I got a couple of rifles top do this exclusively, heavy bench rifles in .308 and .30-06. The .30-06 is really my favorite and can be finicky, but shows a definite preference for heavier bullets.

A month or so back, I dropped in to my favorite LGS which is really more like an indoor eclectic flea market of outdoorsy stuff. AMong the stuff that was out were some jars of cast bullets, no doubt from the old man's younger days or an estate sale of someone like him. I bought one of a long, heavy, pointy design I thought were 8mm bullets, but upon looking closer are 311329, an unusual one which seems to have been discontinued decades ago. I didn't have real high expectations from that pointy nose, but I checked some, ran them through a Lee push through sizer since I didn't have a top punch that would work and dipped them in thin liquid alox up to the beginning of the ogive and let them dry. I loaded 13 (odd number, but that's how many of my primed fireformed cases were left in the box of brass I was working with). Figuring slow was best for this design, I loaded 17 grains of 2400. The attached picture is the 13 shot 100 yard group, that bull is 1.5" for reference. The one flyer at the top was the last shot and was lubed a little heavier than the others which is why I think it went outside the group.

To say I'm pleased is an understatement. I'll use the rest to make sure this wasn't a fluke. Now I need to find a 311329 mold, any suggestions besides watching Ebay?

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Matt

Active Member
eBay is probably the easiest, but I’ve seen molds on the gun auction sites. Asking if any one has one on this site or the other sites that have cast bullets shooters won’t hurt either. Checking the offerings of the custom mold makers might find you a copy. Finding a mold maker to copy it is also an option
 

richhodg66

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I have a feeling I'll be looking for a while. Funny, I didn't figure this one would shoot well and this was the very first try. Sometimes things go right.
 

Ben

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Staff member
I had an old gunsmith , many years ago ( about 50+ ) , when I first started shooting cast bullets in rifles. I made a comment that a particular cast bullet " just looked accurate " to me.

He chastised me pretty good and quickly informed me that you couldn't tell a d*** thing about a cast bullet by its looks. It had to be shot to learn anything at all about its accuracy potential.

Ben
 
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Matt

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You’d be surprised ileven if you just check eBay once a week. I’d been looking for an Ideal 401452 for several years. A couple of months ago one turned up. Not perfect and needed a little tweaking but it casts a beautiful bullet now
 

david s

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I can agree with everything Ben said but I don't live by it. I go by appearances. If it looks good to me, I'll try it.
 
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richhodg66

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First thing I'm gonna do is bring one of them back to the old man in that shop and ask if he still has the mold. He's pushing 90 real hard and more frail every time I see him, but still mentally pretty sharp and seems to be able to find oddball stuff when asked pretty quick in that disorganized wonderful place.

I don't ebay as much as I used to. I did recently have some luck finding the unicorn a few weeks ago, I'd found an old Lachmiller Model 100 press on the floor of an antique mall frozen open and rusted badly I got for next to nothing. Got her loosened up thanks to Evaporust and a lot of ATF and Krioil, cleaned up, painted, working, but no spent primer cup and it used a specific one which I figured I'd never find and eventually one turned up on Ebay, so my old rescue press is now complete, I just gotta paint it to match the rest.

I will probably never find a good specimen of this mold, too bad. Was probably never real popular and looks like it was discontinued in the 50s.
 

L Ross

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I looked in my old pointy Lyman 30 moulds and found a a 311332 and a 311413 but no 311329. So I looked in my Handbook of Cast Bullets and found the 311329 but not the 311332.
 

richhodg66

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The 311413 shoots well too, but you have to keep it slow. I have a 311332, but haven't cast with it yet. Maybe that's my answer if it shoots this well.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
History on this one; it is a fairly early design about 1911 just before Marlin bought out Ideal. Its purpose was to give good feeding in the 1903 Springfield, and work up to 600 yards. In those days 2.5 MOA was considered excellent on the old "A" target at 200 yards. The long unsupported nose makes it hard to shoot well over about 1450 f/s. The 311413 was a much better bullet, especially in the Garand, that was developed by Mr. Squibb and Mr. Miller of Long Island, NY.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
You’d be surprised ileven if you just check eBay once a week. I’d been looking for an Ideal 401452 for several years. A couple of months ago one turned up. Not perfect and needed a little tweaking but it casts a beautiful bullet now
Agree. It can take time but eventually everything appears on Ebay. I looked for a particular discontinued/made of unobtanium chainsaw cylinder for years. I would have accepted a good used example. Eventually I scored a brand new in the box jug for less than what used ones had sold for in the past. Keep at it and you'll find one. Of course the chances of it having the same dimensions as the one that cast the bullets you have in your alloy, that's a complete crap shoot.

On the 413 Squibb bullet- that one has scads and scads of info on it if you go back into the pre-1960 books and magazines.
 
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Fiddler

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I had that mold about 50 yrs ago and as I recall they grouped about the same as yours from a 2 groove O3A3.
I've seen 2 or 3 on ebay in the past year or so, keep looking.
 

4060MAY

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I have 2, 308329, 311329, both single cavity
the 311329 I have cast with, and casts close to .311, (memory) never cast the 308329
either one or both or sale
PM if interested
 

Rick

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I have 2, 308329, 311329, both single cavity
the 311329 I have cast with, and casts close to .311, (memory) never cast the 308329
either one or both or sale
PM if interested

If you want to sell them list them in Swap & Sell forum. You'll get more visibility for sale items there.
 

richhodg66

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4060MAY, I'm interested.

Up to now, the rifle really has shown a preference for the 311284 (no surprise to me) and likes the 311467 second best, but I've never shot a group this good. It'll probably be a week before I can shoot again, but I'm anxious to find out if this was just a fluke or not. If I can duplicate this consistently, I'll be pretty happy.
 

L Ross

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4060MAY, I'm interested.

Up to now, the rifle really has shown a preference for the 311284 (no surprise to me) and likes the 311467 second best, but I've never shot a group this good. It'll probably be a week before I can shoot again, but I'm anxious to find out if this was just a fluke or not. If I can duplicate this consistently, I'll be pretty happy.
I certainly hope you find success. I was once gifted two baby food jars of cast bullets from friends who haunt Estate Sales up in the Twin Cities. One jar was 311284's and the other was 311299's. Both had the old Lyman gas checks and the infamous black lube. All of the bullets were crisp and sharp and well done. I tip my hat to some old gaffer up in bullet casting heaven. They all mic'd at .310+ and shot beautifully in various Springfields with 16.0 grains of 4227. My friends said the seller told them there was a large amount of,"That old bullet stuff." and it had all sold the first thing in the morning. The seller found the baby food jars while digging in an old cabinet later.

The noses were .300" on both examples and they were cast of something hard, probably straight lino if I had to guess. I always lamented not getting those moulds. Then I discovered the Lee 312-155-2R and the XCB bullet and my need for another .30 cal to shoot paper and gongs, and silhuoettey type stuff vanished.