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freebullet
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https://www.full30.com/watch/MDAxNjkw/jm-browning-harmonica-rifle
Thought others might enjoy this one.
Thought others might enjoy this one.
Kevin Stenberg
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Where would you attach all of the mall ninja stuff?
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freebullet
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I would not. Any I come across by trade gets dumped during the next big panic.
Other than slings, optics, nice triggers, occasionally a bipod, & upgraded recoil pads I'm not into many accessories.
No malls back then, they had Main Street ninjas.
Pistolero
Well-Known Member
I think they mostly had Comanches, Sioux and Apache rather than any ninjas.
Very interesting. I knew right away that it has to be John Moses Browning's father by the dates.
He makes a good point that by the middle of the last century 3/4 of the commercial guns being
sold were JMB designs. Still a bunch of them, or copies or modifications. Heck the current USMC
machine gun, the M240 is a BAR with the action turned upside down and a feed try like a Browning
1919 grafted on top instead of a 20 round box mag. Good designs never die, they just get adapted
to the current need.
The Ithaca Model 37 is a modification of the JMB designed Rem Model 17 bottom load/eject shotgun, by
Pedersen and by and another guy, but the same basic JMB design. AND Remington modified it for side
ejection to compete more directly with the JMB Win Model 12, a closed action improvement on the JMB Win 1897
shotgun. The resulting Rem Model 31 failed to beat the Model 12 in the market place, and eventually Mossberg
and High Standard took that basic Rem 17/Rem31/Ithaca 37 design and made their Mossberg 500 and
Flight King series of pump shotguns. The 500 series is still in production in large numbers today. The Flight
King still had the screwed in barrel, steel receiver, tilting bolt. Mossberg used a barrel extension to lock the bolt to,
and a tilting bolt lock rather than tilting the entire bolt to lock into steel reciever, but the basic design is still
there. Embroidery to make less expansive (cast aluminum reciever). And it gave quick barrel changes.
And the tilting bolt lockup of the Rem 17/Ithaca 37/HS Flight King is mirrored on the FN FAL bolt
lockup system. Same, same....mostly tracking back to JMB. A few are seperate DNA lines like the
Rem 14 pump rifles which were Pederson, and the Garand.
JMB was absolutely the king of gun design. Most since has been embroidery around the edges and
more modern manufacturing methods.
Bill
Very interesting. I knew right away that it has to be John Moses Browning's father by the dates.
He makes a good point that by the middle of the last century 3/4 of the commercial guns being
sold were JMB designs. Still a bunch of them, or copies or modifications. Heck the current USMC
machine gun, the M240 is a BAR with the action turned upside down and a feed try like a Browning
1919 grafted on top instead of a 20 round box mag. Good designs never die, they just get adapted
to the current need.
The Ithaca Model 37 is a modification of the JMB designed Rem Model 17 bottom load/eject shotgun, by
Pedersen and by and another guy, but the same basic JMB design. AND Remington modified it for side
ejection to compete more directly with the JMB Win Model 12, a closed action improvement on the JMB Win 1897
shotgun. The resulting Rem Model 31 failed to beat the Model 12 in the market place, and eventually Mossberg
and High Standard took that basic Rem 17/Rem31/Ithaca 37 design and made their Mossberg 500 and
Flight King series of pump shotguns. The 500 series is still in production in large numbers today. The Flight
King still had the screwed in barrel, steel receiver, tilting bolt. Mossberg used a barrel extension to lock the bolt to,
and a tilting bolt lock rather than tilting the entire bolt to lock into steel reciever, but the basic design is still
there. Embroidery to make less expansive (cast aluminum reciever). And it gave quick barrel changes.
And the tilting bolt lockup of the Rem 17/Ithaca 37/HS Flight King is mirrored on the FN FAL bolt
lockup system. Same, same....mostly tracking back to JMB. A few are seperate DNA lines like the
Rem 14 pump rifles which were Pederson, and the Garand.
JMB was absolutely the king of gun design. Most since has been embroidery around the edges and
more modern manufacturing methods.
Bill
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
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