Introduction

[rodmkr]

My name is Jim and I am a Mauseraholic.
I live in California
With exception of 4 rifles all of my rifles are Mausers
Except for 2 all are shot with Cast bullets.
I live 15 minutes from the Pala Indian Reservation Rifle/Pistol range.
The rifle range goes to 877 yards and I have gone that far with a 71/84 Mauser and black powder.

So much for old history.
I recently aquired the mortal remains of a 91/30 and M44 Mosin.
he M44 has 302 lan and 313 groove,
The NOE 314299 bullet gives Maximum leading with Bens lube and 29 grains of IMR4198
Am thinking of trying the Lee C312 -150-2R sized at 313.
Anyone have a better bullet and load?

Jim

 

[S Mac]

Welcome Jim. Can't help you with a load but your in a good place here.

 

[KeithB]

Welcome, not a rifle CB shooter, lot of folks here are, you'll get some help i'm sure.

 

[Will]

Welcome to the forum

You are .313” in the grooves of a milsurp rifle which I’ll assume also has a very generous throat.

Sounds to me like you need to got to at least a .314” diameter bullet. Probably your best bet would be to make a pound cast of the chamber and throat. The throat will tell you how big your bullets need to be while also giving you some insight on the best style of bullet for your particular rifle.

 

[fiver]

I would imagine your also getting a nice grey poof of smoke.
your using a load that should be 4064 or even 4895 burn speed.
the bullet- powder combination is waay out of whack.
I bet it would do okay on top of maybe 20-23 grs of 4198 but 29 is far too much.
the pressure rise is too fast and the 2 parallel sides of the design just cannot handle it.
more specifically the nose can't handle the stress of trying to guide everything into the rifling straight and the base is just letting you down right from the get-go.
I know there is a thread here, where a couple of us starts to walk another member through this same Moisin scenario, and give him a few mold suggestions as well as the direction he needs to take to figure out which one is the best solution.

anyway welcome to the board.
ibet there are a couple of members here that know your range and may have even shot there in the past.

 

[Rick]

Welcome to the forum Jim, glad to have you here

 

[Brad]

Welcome to the forum.
I would listen carefully to what fiver said. After a period of time you learn to not need the decoder ring.

 

[rodmkr]

I should probably continue this in the projects forum.

 

[Jeff H]

.................With exception of 4 rifles all of my rifles are Mausers
Except for 2 all are shot with Cast bullets............................Jim

Wow,... you're a strange fella.

You're going to fit right in here!

Welcome!

I'm back in Ohio now, but many years ago I spent a year in California and there's a lot about it I miss. I was in an agricultural community and the folks were great - looked out for me and helped me out wherever there was a chance even though I was a lowly GI. Every other Sunday, I spent the morning at the Laguna Seca Range, where I met a lot of great people.

 

[RBHarter]

Welcome . I'm not much help with the Russians . The only one I had was a x39 at 305×3165 and it would chamber and shoot actually pretty well with a 323-170 Lee sized 323 . There was some throat wear ...... Best groups came from taking advantage of the twist with bullet weight and paper patching ......

 

[rodmkr]

Strange as it seems Brad I actually understand fiver!
Now you know how strange I am!!

Jim

 

[CZ93X62]

Jim/rodmkr--

I have yet to shoot at Pala, but I live not-too-far away in Redlands.

I have a Romo M-44 that I enjoy shooting with castings. Given that the M/Ns have 1 in 9-1/2" twist rates, you don't want to drive cast bullets real hard. My rifle's throat is a fat .312"/skinny .313", so I size the lee #312-185 in 92/6/2 in a .313" die and it "cleans up" at that diameter. Bore/groove is .303" x .311+a few tenths. Ahead of 16.0 grains of 2400, these go about 1500 FPS and stay inside 3" at 100 yards. About minute-of-levergun, in other words. I haven't messed with the little rifle much, it has gone along behind the seat of the truck on desert trips with soft-point 154 grain J-word Russian factory loads, which it shoots pretty well--about 2" at 100 yards. It is a good little truck rifle, carried Condition 4. The factory J-words are LOUD, the cast loads are more docile.

FWIW, The M/N family copied the Mauser rifling form pretty closely--4 grooves right, twist rate very close to the 4 turns/meter that Mauser favored. The precise M/N twist rate is a strange one--it is not predicated on either the meter or the English foot, nor is it based on a derivative of the Russian "arshin" a pre-metric measurement based on the Russian cubit. (Arshin = 28 inches or 71.12 cm). 1 in 9.449" by the Russians, the Finn rifles are 1-10.5".

 

[uncle jimbo]

Welcome to the forum. This is a nice place.

 

[Intheshop]

4198 is one of my go to's...but. The only thing I use it for near max is in the 223... which is peachy. Everything else it's under starting JB loads.... usually hitting a nice spot 1800-2000. But can be spooky accurate.

I've been having good luck in the 2200-2500 range with Varget.... in the medium sized cases. At just above starting JB data.

Anyoleway,welcome from the snowed in mnts of Virginia!

 

[Cherokee]

Welcome to the forum.

 

[KHornet]

Welcome, very good people here!

Paul